and this will likely just result in more layoffs
So it begins- Wendy's To Switch To Self Ordering and Automation To Avoid $15/hr Wage hike
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exactly, thats why I never trip on if a company doesn't pay. At the end of the day it is not my company, and a Job should be viewed as a partner ship, if they feel your services are worth a certain # and you guys can't come to an agreement then you end that partnership. I wouldn't tolerate an employee telling me how to run my business and what I should be doing, so I respect corporations right to do the same. Do i feel that it is fair? Not really, but people dont start for profit businesses to feed other peoples families, they start them to build wealth for themselves.
Its wild that many Corporate jobs are starting people out at 30-35k, yet people on here will have you think if your entry level job aint paying 80 then you losing. People gotta understand market value. A lot of Companies in Big cities juug the hell out of recent grads from smaller cities. I remember I had classmates bragging about getting job offers in DC paying 60k (this was my junior yr and their senior yr), so we are like "
y'all done came up" not realizing 60k in DC = 35-38k in ATL. I knew a dude who got a gig in NYC making 100k fresh out of College, so me and some classmates go to NYC for a conference and meet up with the dude and we like "
you balling bruh" and he is putting on flexing like "yea me and my coworkers always in the club doing bottle service but it gets real pricy you know 
", no we are still in college at the time so we thinking dude is for real but come to find out 100k in NYC (Manhattan ) is literally like 40-40k in ATL, and we should have put two and two together when he told us he didnt live in Manhattan either.
It doesnt work like that though, should it be that everyone can get a job and live of it... of course. But again go back 10 messages when I said most americans live beyond their means, doesnt matter if they are making $20k or 200k. I know somoene who makes over 150k a year as a finance manager and is BROKE... drives a shytty car and has no money.. Who is to be the judge as to what people need to "live"
So you are ok with McD's just closing down rather then sticking with their current payroll?
Here is a little fun fact... "McDonald's hires around 1 million workers in the US every year"
So again... rather then giving the 1million people per year a chance at a paycheck, you are ok with them just closing shop instead like BB and CC and The Wiz and so on? How does that help?
The fact is not everyone needs $15hr, not everyone is pissed at McD's that currently works for them. This is more of a greedy piece of shyt suit party trying to make a stance, none of them every have, would work for McD's nor will they have a family member do so. So like you, they also wouldn't care if it bankrupts McD's, they wouldn't care about those million people per year that gets an opportunity. They want touch screen kiosks, and the quickest way to it is to pretend like these works NEED $15+hr min, so they can say no its not possible, we will get kiosks.... Done...
They are using the common person as a tool for their own agenda, neither side gives a fukk about our minimum wage, they use it to spark interest. You have people here talking about you need $15hr to live, well it depends how you live, I couldn't live off of $15hr yet i know some friends that would be happy as shyt to make $15hr. We need to stop pretending there is some imaginary number out there that everyone NEEDS to survive because there is no such thing as that number. All this number is, is high enough to put McD's in a position to say "go fukk yourself" and screw over real people, who were no where near as mad as the news is making it seem to be.
Wow, you're not trolling, you really mean this shyt.
If there's not such thing as deserve, please explain the Food Bill, US trade law, US AID law, rampant tax breaks for big business, or corporate lobbying and the revolving door between the fat cats and Congress.
and this will likely just result in more layoffs
How so? If you boycott a low-employment company and instead frequent high-employment companies, and the result is that the low-employment company is forced to shut down, won't the gap it leaves be replaced by a high-employment company, and therefore result in more jobs, not fewer?
Seriously, you pro-corporate folk are so brainwashed by their agenda that you can't even think through the basic logic of this shyt unless it's stated in "Free Market Rulez!1!" terms.
nikkas promoting the pro corporate agenda
Dog eat dog only works when your the top dog in the system
Dog eat dog only works when your the top dog in the system
Carlos Huerta
Just keep my rep red
It's simple - business owners will pay salaries that are commensurate with the skill involved and the margins needed to the sustain the business. Again, you want to change capitalism to welfare and dictate what owners should pay. That's not capitalism and more importantly, it's not growth.
Carlos Huerta
Just keep my rep red
@The Dankster would open up a business today and pay his call center reps $15/hr just to "create jobs"
And not one person in here talked about cutting the CEO's bonuses.Typical for the Free Market Coli House nikka.
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@The Dankster would open up a business today and pay his call center reps $15/hr just to "create jobs"
I mean you have Verzion who's call centers pay 15 bucks, have 401k, tuition reimbursement, etc but the service is not cheap. Fast Food industry is seeing a decline in customers, so if people think they won't lay people off to give these deserved raises then they are idiots. And I`m not even dissing but many of these Fast Food places have incompetent workers ( not all but many), so a lot of people often think of how bad the service has been just going to a fast food spot, and REALLY can't think of why these people DESERVE more pay, avg person feels they need more pay so they feel insulted people would champion the cat who messed up their kids happy meal needing a raise when that person who is a customer is probably struggling too.
Businesses aren't charities.
Carlos Huerta
Just keep my rep red
Exactly - the cost is built in to the price of the service.
Point is that you don't employ people just for the sake of creating employment. You always seek to maximize efficiency. That's what technology has done for the world and it's a great thing. if a computer can take your order and you are not losing anything as a customer, then that's better for everyone. The money that would have been paid to those workers is being paid to better skilled workers to maintain and continuously improve these devices.
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the cac mamba
Veteran
that sounds terrible
If Wendy's revenue saw a sharp decline, they will cut jobs. Very simple my man
And you did it again!
Anyone can look at the last two pages and see that you don't know shyt about what the words "capitalism", "socialism", "entitlements", or "deserve" actually mean.
Most business owners do not pay salaries based on "skill involved and margins needed to sustain the business". They pay salaries based on "lowest the market for that skill will bear while avoiding government legal action against them". Many high-skill jobs pay low salaries and many low-skill jobs pay high salaries, because of the current available market. And business owners OFTEN pay wages far below the margins needed to sustain their business, because they care a hell of a lot more about the highest short-term profits for themselves than merely sustaining the business for their employees. "Sustaining the business" is only an issue for companies who are actually operating on the edge, and often not even then (because other factors are more important in the long-term).
And the "growth growth growth!" mantra is stupid as shyt. Look at the fukking world right now. You really think that we can keep sustaining growth? Start thinking about fukking sustainability, not incessant growth in a world of non-renewable resources (most importantly land, clean air, clean water, minerals, and topsoil).
@The Dankster would open up a business today and pay his call center reps $15/hr just to "create jobs"
I have plenty of friends who have done shyt like that and who are doing just fine right now. And in the long run, paying an employee a sustainable wage can be more successful than paying an unsustainable wage.
Let's pretend that your example is real. If I paid a higher wage than my competition, my employees would actually stay with me, as opposed to other call centers where there is constant turnover because employees are always trying to find better jobs. My employees would likely to be happier at work because I gave a shyt about them rather than just low-balling them. Their stress levels would be lower because their needs at home would actually be being taken care of. And since I was keeping employees for many years, their skill and experience level would only increase, rather than my competitors who have to constantly retrain. As a result of all those factors, over the long term the customer care product that I am providing will be significantly better than that of my competitors, and as a result the companies I am servicing will be willing to pay more for my product.
If you pay the lowest wages you can, employee turnover is high, employee moral is low, employee stress/health levels are generally higher, and you're constantly having to re-train young workers who are only angling to move on as soon as they can.
So why do so many employers do it? Because management tenures are so short (the average lifespan of a CEO is only a few years nowadays) and because stockholder demands are so short-term, often at the level of "quarterly profits" rather than decades of success. Companies are sacrificing long-term well-being of their workers in favor of short-term gains. That why American product quality and service quality is degrading in so many sectors.
It's not like this everywhere. Germany, for instance, expressly promotes a "stakeholder-based" economic system rather than a "stockholder-based" economic system. That's one reason Germany's manufacturing quality is so high - because they give a shyt about their workers. At the same time that their companies are producing with higher standards, they're also providing a better life for their low-wage workers and their overall economic health is still fine.
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If you need the game to be rigged to win u deserve to lose. A $15 minimum wage is just that. nikkas need to dream bigger than working the friesnikkas promoting the pro corporate agenda
Dog eat dog only works when your the top dog in the system