so Obama supporters got that wake up call last night

[Born2BKing]

Good post. Keep doing your thing.

Thanks brah

 

[Benjamin Sisko]

This type of mentality is why Blacks will continue to be second class citizens, WE NEED Black people to become politicians, that's the only way laws will start being made in our favor

No, we need black people to own a ECONOMY to BUY and TELL politicians what to do, because without MONEY, then black people will CONTINUE to be second-class citizens.

 

[*L*E*G*A*C*Y*]

I know a lot of people who had the audacity to compare Obama to MLK and Malcolm X, but always caution against "expecting too much" of him. They want his legacy and esteem to be that of a revolutionary figure, without him ever having to shoulder any of the actual expectations of one. The fundamental difference between Obama - not a great black leader by any measure - and historically brilliant, effective black leaders is they worked against the power structure, while he works within it.

And that's just fine. I won't hold him to the expectations of a great leader, as long as we can be honest about who he really is. He's an ineffectual centrist cut from the Bill Clinton cloth. He appeals to the hope and ideology of the left, but he's on the right in terms of several significant issues. We've just lost track of what left and right is, and we're so busy choosing and arguing sides that we can't be bothered to notice that our culture has been so thoroughly corporatized that the left and right are manipulatable positions rather than fixed ones.

Clinton started this shyt. He moved the left toward the right. It made him electable. And it was unintentionally brilliant strategy for the future of the democratic party, because the more the left moved right, the less room it left the right to define itself in opposition to the left. Which is why the right jumped off a fukking cliff and began to take positions so extreme they alienated some of their core and made it nearly impossible for reasonable independents to vote with them. That's politically brilliant, but it doesn't do much for society. It just dumbs down the rhetoric to the point of utter nonsense. Now we have an ultra-capitalist President being labeled a socialist, even as he perpetuates the same policies and hires the same people who drained the nation's coffers and exploited the financial system to destructive ends. We get people who elected Obama because of his promises to scale back war abroad boasting of his missions to assassinate foreign leaders and terrorists. He expands war, and previously anti-war fans of Obama applaud. Because they ceased arguing principles, and are now arguing a side. Which is how the politics of the world are reduced to something as inane and irrational as baseball fanaticism. Obama DA GAWD=GOAT and I have a youtube highlight reel and some selective stats to back it up!

Meanwhile, he's helping to further fukk the environment. The pipeline is moving ahead, on his watch, with his blessing. We're building new nuclear weapons plants - more under his watch than his predecessors. He publicly fretted about the secrecy of Bush's administration, about the abuse of domestic spying... and here he is, significantly worse about both. He runs the least transparent administration of all time. Our data is their data. Our phone calls are their phone calls. His administration, with his blessing, is fighting journalists in court to pass a law that would ultimately provide language to allow the prosecution and indefinite detainment of American citizens and journalists on suspicions of treachery that are undefined and need not be publicly substantiated. In other words, his administration is pushing for the right to arrest and jail citizens simply because they decide to. This is not the sort of policy put in place by a liberal, a progressive, a leftist, or a decent human being. This is policy only a corporate puppet could support. And that's what Obama is. There's no "real Obama" who is going to use his second term to "Hit Em Up" and show you what he's truly about. His supporters ran that baseless assertion into the fukking ground, and when it never came to pass, they just invented a new rationalization for why our great progressive hope is a corporate shill, a war hawk, a status quo politician on race and class. The new rationalization is "he's the President... you can't expect anything from him!" Which is a level beyond Orwellian, even.

Obama's election is something I still appreciate. It said something about our country. It said yes, this country has a deep, historical contempt for blacks... but maybe it actually is getting better. In the aftermath, of course, maybe I even read that wrong. Still, I'm glad I voted for him the first time, and that we elected him. But otherwise? fukk him. I don't feel any special affinity for that man because he happens to be brown. His own words and deeds certainly demonstrate he doesn't feel special affinity for brown people in general. He can issue an emotional statement about a fukking comedian who offed himself within hours of it happening, but has to sit on his hands for days before issuing a namby-pamby statement about the coldblooded murder of a boy at the hand of an increasingly militarized police force. On the heels of many other incidents like it. With more following immediately.

He's a Talkin' Ass Negro. I guess the speeches were charming at first, but as the crude saying goes, don't talk about it, be about it. His supporters would have you believe that his presidency and the actions of local governments are completely unrelated, that he has no power whatsoever, that his job is simply to "manage" and spin and keep everyone from reacting harshly to him. It's truly depressing.

Obama isn't a person to be admired or defended. He's precisely the kind of person in the kind of position King and X fought against. His interests are not my interests. His policies do not affirm my values or my life, they subvert both. The principles he publicly professes are not the ones he clandestinely pushes forward. His drones have killed countless innocent citizens - men, women, children - and there's still so little information about the program that we don't even know exactly how steep that death toll is, and how ineffective the operation has been. We continue to sow more seeds of discontent abroad among allies and enemies alike. In the name of fighting terrorism, we're laying the groundwork for even more extreme fundamentalist groups who will never stop trying to attack us and our interests. Obama has done nothing but contribute to a cycle of war, death, stark domestic poverty, and racism. It's nice that he has done some good for immigrants and gays, I guess - but that doesn't somehow cancel all the other shyt out. For God's sake, this piece of shyt made a public joke about sending a drone to kill the Jonas Brothers. The President should not be taking that issue so lightly, ever. Especially not a purportedly progressive President.

fukk him. And those who shrug and say "you can't expect anything else from the President" are confessing a defeatist, cynical philosophy. They're saying "the world is going to burn and hate will always win and war is permanent and the apocalypse is imminent." Otherwise, no one would ask the absurd question "what did you expect?" I expected something different, something better, something decent, something progressive. I expected that in spite of myself and knowledge of the world. Because pessimism of experience shouldn't mute optimism for human and societal potential, or you might as well kill yourself, because you're a walking dead person inside at that point.

/thread.

Shut this shyt down!!!!!

 

[BiggWebb79]

The president of the united states discredits ANY branch of government. It creates a liars paradox that rips a hole in space and time. It opens a wormhole.It glitches the matrix. It questions everything the country was built on.

In simpler terms. You guys are asking the president of the united states to be anti-government. Think about that for a second.

Then this happens and will these fukk bois load up and kill whitey then? No, Even George Zimmerman still walking around like it's nothing.

 

[Born2BKing]

/thread.

Shut this shyt down!!!!!

Another stan. Oh he made a long post and was articulate ass nikka

 

[BiggWebb79]

This is politics brehs

This is chess


This is a city run by Demoncrats and Obama had a great opportunity before the midterm to put them under the microscope and make sure they got it right or their jobs should be on the line.

@Napoleon makes great technical points. If you don't understand or study policy or know how the game works it goes over your head.

The bottom line: no emotion raw facts

Obama dropped and the Obama Admin dropped the ball on Ferguson

There jobs should've been on the line by the people voting them out of office.

 

[BiggWebb79]

Immigration STRONGLY benefits latinos, they are the ones that pushed for it, not black folks.

Why did they push for it? because they were together for a common cause, unlike how a majority of black people are until an injustice happens.

Black folks haven't pushed for LGBT rights either. I'm for them personally, but for blacks as a group, there are bigger issues.

No their haven't as a group, but there's plenty of blacks that are apart of the LGBT community that help out their cause.

However, issues that DIRECTLY affect black folks, that black folks push for, get little to no tangible response. And black folks gave Obama over 92% of their votes to him. So of course many black people are pissed.

Blacks always give Democrates a high percent of the votes, Clinton got 83% in 92 and 84% in 96; you know how much damage that 3 strike rule have effected the black community. Al Gore got 90% of the black vote and John Kerry got 88%. A majority don't overstand that local elections are far more important than Presidential elections.

 

[Benjamin Sisko]

This nikka just compared Obama to a crackhead.

But Obama was one too.

 

[Born2BKing]

But Obama was one too.

No he wasn't nikka.

 

[Benjamin Sisko]

No he wasn't nikka.

He did cocaine. And we can argue about semantics, but the fact is Obama was a drug user like MB was.

This post was incredibly condescending and damn near offensive. For one, you do not know my credentials or history and my past experiences. Secondly, I'm sure the same civil rights leaders you met with are Obama supporters and I'll task you to prove me wrong. Thirdly, I know you have a reputation for being able to articulate very well, in which I will concede too but that is neither here or there. This is a discussion between brothers on a topic which is heavily debated, so if brothers on here don't have your "flawless" experience in these matters, it doesn't mean their opinions should be discounted.

Finally, I am going to give you a brief introduction to who I am. First and foremost, I am an educated black man with many years of corporate and government work experience. I have been in meetings with the governor of Georgia, I have been in a roundtable with the police chief of Atlanta and Clayton County. I was working closely with the CEO of Dekalb County. I ran an ex-offender program for Dekalb county, which consisted of 99% african americans who were looking to transition back into society. Yes I opened my home to some of them, yes I met with them on a weekly basis to assure they were ok, yes I worked with the governors office of workforce development, yes I built alliances with local organizations to provide resources to them, yes I spoke with the director of public safety in Dekalb county on their behalf.

I say all of this to say, do not turn your nose up at me and I do not give a fukk how articulate you are or how many people on this website ride your dikk. I have done what I can for the advancement of OUR PEOPLE. Have a good day.

 

[Walt]

This post was incredibly condescending and damn near offensive. For one, you do not know my credentials or history and my past experiences.

The absolute motherfukking gall of your bullshyt indignation, my nikka! HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA

Let me make this 100% clear: I gives zero fukks about your supposed experience working with the governor's office, your snide acknowledgment of my "reputation for being able to articulate" or your obvious insecurities betrayed by your harping on whatever screennames "ride my dikk" and what you "don't give a fukk about," you lizard ass bytch nikka.

I would - with no question or hesitation - smack the fukking piss out you intellectually or physically, whichever you choose my g. So save all that aggression for the next nikka. Cats on this site have met me, know what I've done and what I'm about, and none of this blah blah moves me. So let's move past that nonsense, or at least leave it to Mowgli to come through and "friend" and jujitsu some other nikka to death. You got the wrong one, fammo. You - like anyone else who talks out his ass on this site- are a roach leg to me.

Now, as far as you boldly and absurdly dismissing everything I typed with a brief paragraph that said, essentially, "older, realer nikkas fukk with Obama, but younger, silly nikkas don't"... then having the fukking nerve to call a response to that condescending...

That lack of self-awareness and that sort of inconsistent value system speaks volumes about your attack-dog stance on Obama, who is a corporate puppet by any logical measure.

Yes, my g, a multitude of blacks - civil rights era and otherwise - support that ineffectual, talkin' ass nikka. Because blacks - as much as we like to pretend CACs are inherently evil - also choose sides over principles. We root for our own. I get it. I also feel sick that republicans are blocking Obama every step of the way. I also hate that CACs have poorly conceived, racist talking points on deck. I understand the desire to root for Obama on some anti-CAC shyt.

But the FACTS remain Obama presides over a distinctly right wing, bought and paid for administration that occasionally skews left on some photo op shyt.

And y'all want some kind of "discussion" but I'm reading posts that say outright retarded and bizarre shyt like "you probably think Cornell West is elegant" as if any fukking person worth a damn would bother to engage and debate that sort of doofus shyt. I had to submit a 45 page paper to a conference on how shockingly inefficient, counterintuitive, and cloaked in secrecy the drone program is... we're talking over 100 hours of research and interviews with government officials, past and present... and some poster rolled in this thread like a turd-tard and said some shyt like "drones suck, but we have to keep our foot on the neck of our enemies."

If I - after over 100 hours of research on drones - don't know what to make of the program, and understand the absurdity of it in terms of facilitating peace and safety... Why in the fukking name of the GOD OUR FATHER would I even think to acknowledge some nincompoop posting cliche talking points defending a symbol/person at the expense of a basic moral principle?

And no, my dude, you are not taking me to task to prove you wrong about a fukking thing. You think nikkas who came of age in the Civil Rights era are a monolith? You think Ted Shaw and Amiri Baraka and Julian Bond all share the same affirmations and dissent on every issue? You truly believe no Civil Rights era citizens and leaders thought Obama's response to nikkas being gunned down with impunity was some bullshyt? You polled them, homeboy? Because plenty have unfavorable opinions of Barry O.

The nerve of you to be completely dismissive, then get uppity about being dismissed. fukk you, and fukk your stanning of this puppet ass talkin ass nikka. I gives zero fukks about your feelings, your stanning, and your experience "advancing our people." Got it, "brother?" Don't waste my time with that kind of bullshyt ass flexing, nikka.

And as for this sad ass, tired ass, backward ass Nas Stan type defense of Obama... It's like I'm watching a group of weirdo nikkas vehemently root for a man who said "fukk blueberries - they are toxic! Also: no one is allowed to swim if I'm elected! Finally: I will never let anyone sell sex toys on my watch" and after said man passes policies to increase blueberry production, he builds a new ocean and makes it mandatory for citizens to swim or forfeit their healthcare benefits, and then holds a press conference during which he sticks a dildo up his own ass... and his defenders insist "you don't understand how the job actually works!"

I find the defense of Obama utterly embarrassing. But do carry on.

 

[Roaden Polynice]

Another stan. Oh he made a long post and was articulate ass nikka

The self-doubt and insecurity you reek is at an absurd level. I'm not even sure how people tolerate your society.

Let's break down your posts, you feel uncomfortable because someone sounds smarter than you and it bruises your fragile ego because you've built your personality and indeed your entire life upon "helping your people" but when someone comes along that dwarfs your bullshyt and vague contributions you fret in the face of your confirmed inconsequence.

Of 10 years on sohh and on the coli you're literally the worst poster I've ever come across. And you're a fukkboy on top of that. dikkhead.

You're somehow worse than @Ed MOTHEREFFING G / @Ed MOTHERfukkING G and @Wenzel Dashington ffs.

 

[Born2BKing]

The self-doubt and insecurity you reek is at an absurd level. I'm not even sure how people tolerate your society.

Let's break down your posts, you feel uncomfortable because someone sounds smarter than you and it bruises your fragile ego because you've built your personality and indeed your entire life upon "helping your people" but when someone comes along that dwarfs your bullshyt and vague contributions you fret in the face of your confirmed inconsequence.

Of 10 years on sohh and on the coli you're literally the worst poster I've ever come across. And you're a fukkboy on top of that. dikkhead.

You're somehow worse than @Ed MOTHEREFFING G / @Ed MOTHERfukkING G and @Wenzel Dashington ffs.

Oh you're still but hurt about me calling you out for lying about being from Atlanta and secondly lying about being black. Your reputation speaks for itself. Learn to be yourself chap.

 

[Roaden Polynice]

Oh you're still but hurt about me calling you out for lying about being from Atlanta and secondly lying about being black. Your reputation speaks for itself. Learn to be yourself chap.

Sure

I forget every time I click around the sinkhole that is TLR I somehow find myself compelled to get into a bullshyt argument with you and it's always the same result, you talking about internet "rep"

This is why you're the worst

 

[CASHAPP]

the role wealth and privilege plays in all forms of society is some shyt that would make anybody just


Spot on about Obama in ur previous post. Obama's body language made it clear that he didn't want to even speak on Ferguson, but had to in order to avoid a "Katrina" moment

Despite the post made by @Walt which was 100% on point by the way....If we do have another future Black President like Obama I do not w ant us to automatically assume they would act the same as he does...I'm sure there are possible future Presidents who aren't ashamed to be affiliated with Blacks the way Barack can be