So Puff Diddy isnt a record producer either....we knew?

[WaveCapsByOscorp™]

You’re describing a producer

Not a music producer. Just a financial sponsor/donor. You gotta do more than have money and friends in my book to really have that status as a music producer.



I can’t even say he has some philosophy like say Rick Rubin where I might be able to see that he has some bigger insight on making music even though he doesn’t play an instrument or anything.

No, Puff isn’t musical at all, that’s why I wouldnt call him a music producer. He just pays for musicians to be around.

 

[trillanova]

I used to go over to her house too in the 90's. That's a story for another time though.



She was singing, but her whole sh*t came after Mary though. That's why everyone was saying her and other chicks were Mary clones. A lot of solo R&B chicks were trying to roll with Mary's whole style and aesthetic. She had a couple of videos, but the backlash killed her album, so Motown wasn't willing to even front her a budget to record it. So it never got made. Then she said Doug E. Fresh was stealing her money. So they had beef for a minute. She had a hard time getting her career off back then. Then the radio thing happened for her.

So she was with Kedar?

 

[African Peasant]

The problem is that the term 'producer' is very vague.

That's how them old time producers used to rape black artists.

 

[JustCKing]

So you don't feel like the sampling of artists like James Brown was a continuation of one genre into another to give it it's footing? We didn't have alot of the same stuff to make complete compositions, so the sampling was a way to still get a sound and feeling that we didn't have access to.

I think he's talking about staying true to the integrity of the original moreso than sampling itself. I never liked "Can't Nobody Hold Me Down" all that much because its trivial compared to "The Message" because it had no message other than promoting the "Can't Stop, won't stop" Bad Boy motto at the time.

 

[mastermind]

This is still musical production, brehs.

He don't make beats, but he has a good ear for music and knows where certain sounds should come in and when they shouldn't.

He also works with the artists on their delivery and cadence.

 

[Art Barr]

Mary J. was in the works before Ms Jones.
Uptown Records brought that style of blending R&B and hip hop to the forefront. Jodeci really blew it up. But before they came out, you can go back and see them in Father MC videos singing background. You will also see Mary J. Blige in the background of old Father MC videos.

To take it back to the old school, the R&B blends with Jeep beats....was a Ron G style....streets responded to it...so that's who producers were copying

No.

Puff shared that style from Ron Ms Jones producer who was a nyc legend and dj who is.


List the answer. Since you know so much.

You sound like a mca puff gateway marketed kid.

No puff stole ms Jones sound away.

Stop the cap.
Now name the dj.
puff sharked the style of record from that would become The direction of nineties mca way rnb. Puff did not invent a fukkin thing and is a Clive Davis meets Andre Harrell celeb party made lie out here.

Art Barr

 

[Art Barr]

Just by saying "Puff waa jacking" it's missing the premise of the thread.
Bad Boys biggest hits are all jacked disco loops or blatant copies but the Hitmen took them and did the rest, they may have even brought the ideas to the table and worked on them while Puff was focused on his freak offs.

Puff just added his name to the record print as Exec or Co Producer later.
Which is what this thread is all about..

nikka.

I am not impressed by the fukk'n hitmen.

Nor puff.

Stop the gateway consumer love affair with puff. If that is your gateway. You got sent off and fail to understand why we are where we are. Which is from puff exclusively.


Trying to deflect means you were not there.


Prove me wrong and you csn not because I was there and the number one grassroots underground draw flanking the beet emcee.


All that puff anything was manufactured and mislead an entire world with ruthless records runs the world semantics at play.



Art Barr

 

[Art Barr]

Good man but look...

1, Come with ideas that contribute towards the tracks concept / arrangement / vocal patterns / rhyming styles.
2, At minimum be able to arrange a 4/5 min music track by taking components from musicians and stitching them together in a cohesive way using production tools.
3, Ideally read music.
4, Play some of the instruments well enough to lead / compose.
5, I would.expect them to have a vast record collection and be able to flip samples too.


When you break down the Royalties on a track its split by producers who do 1 to 5,(50%) writers (25%) then vocalists / musicians get a small cut of the rest.

Timbo does 1 and 2 very very well! So does Dr Dre. They are the best.

Pharell and JD do do even more...Quik too.

Puff is getting his name on records and doing none of it. That's where the extortion suits are coming from.. thats the point of the thread.

The other stuff being discussed, I.e the BadBoy copy and paste hits.. well thats something else..And worth it's own platinum thread!

Most of this.

To add.

If you did not find a loop.
If you did not hit a tab on a beat machine.
Or use a piano role to chop it digitally. You did not produce a damn thing.

That whole hang around and moonlight gifting ideas shyt is not even needed in hiphop. Nor is it accepted in the new school way of thought fukk that mca misappropriation theft based ideal.
that has poisoned the business of rap since the mca way inception of sugar hill and the thieves who stole caz's rhyme book and lied saying it was his own. We been through this lie.

It has not been accepted since 1983 as far as being a rap producer. Tell them mca rnb phonies toys and ducks to srfu and move around.

They are not accepted in hiphop. Stop letting the misappropriated business tnb style con men in the rap game.
speak like they are in hiphop culture. As they are not. They are similar to the leach record owners at the back of the venue in the movie the doors. We never needed them in hiphop and their rnb theft based face ass are not accepted and never were.
Even big was embarrassed to be In business with puff.
along with being embarrassed of puff's culture theif style ways and acts. Along with his mca way rnb lead style of bullshyt.


Art Barr

 

[thephatmack]

nikka.

I am not impressed by the fukk'n hitmen.

Nor puff.

Stop the gateway consumer love affair with puff. If that is your gateway. You got sent off and fail to understand why we are where we are. Which is from puff exclusively.


Trying to deflect means you were not there.


Prove me wrong and you csn not because I was there and the number one grassroots underground draw flanking the beet emcee.


All that puff anything was manufactured and mislead an entire world with ruthless records runs the world semantics at play.



Art Barr

Read my posts... and the thread title.
I am saying for Puff to steal beats he needed to be in the studio. He does NOTHING. The Hitmen are the ones that Jacked. Puff isn't musical enough to know what to jack...

 

[Double Burger With Cheese]

nikka this has been known

https://www.thecoli.com/threads/some-people-call-this-producing-i-call-it-finessing.775535/

 

[Double Burger With Cheese]

Puffy got finesse

 

[Art Barr]

So you don't feel like the sampling of artists like James Brown was a continuation of one genre into another to give it it's footing? We didn't have alot of the same stuff to make complete compositions, so the sampling was a way to still get a sound and feeling that we didn't have access to.

Rnb trying to misappropriate hiphop cultural use of sampling is the issue.
As it clouds hiphop culture's mores and norms centered around sampling and misappropriation of the art of sampling in a hiphop culture based context.
Rnb is not apart of hiphop..
This whole act like some rnb disco duck toy can impersonate a bboy shyt died with full force. So this while idea that rnb gets to infringe on hiphop is a no-no.

Rnb is supposed to be making its own style if composition. Instead hiphop and rap has leaned into heavy into disco synthetic level of shyt and rnb has basically tried to shark hiphop culture.
Do not be fooled. These rnb face ass nikkaz are not b boys and not welcome in hiphop. That ol fake neosoul type guy is not fooling a real bboy.

They should be around in hiphop.
Do not let their rnb misappropriation of hiphop fool you.
Rnb is not apart of hiphop. Do not be fooled.
Hiphop is completely juxtaposed from rnb.

We are not friends.



Art Barr

 

[trillanova]

Rnb is not apart of hiphop..





Art Barr

You're 100% wrong. There is no b-boy without James Brown.

 

[Art Barr]

Read my posts... and the thread title.
I am saying for Puff to steal beats he needed to be in the studio. He does NOTHING. The Hitmen are the ones that Jacked. Puff isn't musical enough to know what to jack...

Again.

I am not impressed by the rnb classically over produced and commercial sellout styling of the hitmen.

Only culture thieves would allow another culture thief in their creative process.

I know not to be fooled by that level of okie doke.



Art Barr

 

[Mindfield333]

And you had people in here for years arguing that Puff was a 'producer', bla bla bla.

He’s a producer like them dudes in the movies lol. They damn sure not holding a camera. I saw it as them just giving input if that .