So Puff Diddy isnt a record producer either....we knew?

[Art Barr]

You're 100% wrong. There is no b-boy without James Brown.

Again.

I elaborated my thoughts to be clear. Before I read your reply Sorry.

Seeing as this is a public gateway. I have to be clear on stances. Since this audience is not apart of hiphop in general. So they do not have a grasp on the norms and mores of hiphop culture. So I have to be as open about hiphop as a gateway concept to the public. Sorry about the lack of content at the beginning of that post. I changed and added to it.

Thanks for recognizing what I recognized as needing to be more elaborate. Preciate it handshake.

@trillanova


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[Art Barr]

He’s a producer like them dudes in the movies lol. They damn sure not holding a camera. I saw it as them just giving input if that .

This.

Again puff is not a rap producer.

To produce in rap you have to have skills.

Puff has no skill besides taking outlier meetings with Clive Davis and keeping up mca way misappropriation sellout level of shenanigans and bullshyt.




Art Barr

 

[thephatmack]

Again.

I am not impressed by the rnb classically over produced and commercial sellout styling of the hitmen.

Only culture thieves would allow another culture thief in their creative process.

I know not to be fooled by that level of okie doke.



Art Barr

We are in agreement here
I have never argued without somebody that I agree with. This is a first.

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Razzay and his 300 alter egos defending Puff is why the thread is so long.

Be interesting to see if Razzay sticks around and continues to defend this when the next set of lawsuits come.

 

[get these nets]

No.

Puff shared that style from Ron Ms Jones producer who was a nyc legend and dj who is.


List the answer. Since you know so much.

You sound like a mca puff gateway marketed kid.

No puff stole ms Jones sound away.

Stop the cap.
Now name the dj.
puff sharked the style of record from that would become The direction of nineties mca way rnb. Puff did not invent a fukkin thing and is a Clive Davis meets Andre Harrell celeb party made lie out here.

Art Barr

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Uptown was making music like that already.
There were female artists and groups that emerged later. Real Love was the perfect marriage of that style, and put Mary on the map. What kept her on the map were a series of hit singles and albums, some with that blend formula, and some into more traditional R&B.
The right single can launch or reboot the career of an act and separate them from similar acts. Real Love, with the Top Billing beat was HUGE.......in my opinion, it did for Mary what Shook Ones part 2 did for Mobb Deep.
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Miss Jones came out, and her project never caught on. Not Puffy or Mary's fault that her label dropped the ball.

 

[King Kai]

Puff Diddy is an untrustworthy individual

 

[T-K-G]

I think this was pretty much known to be honest. plus executive producer in music isn't the same as a record producer. just means ur the boss of the project, but not really a creative.

It's hilarious how many people cannot understand that on this site.

Music projects are gonna have "producers" the same way a movie does, the word isn't solely used to describe a beatmaker

 

[beenz]

It's hilarious how many people cannot understand that on this site.

Music projects are gonna have "producers" the same way a movie does, the word isn't solely used to describe a beatmaker

also a movie producer isn't the same as an album producer. a movie producer is the guy who gets all the funding secured for the entire movie project. they are NOT creatives either.

a record producer (in hip hop) makes beats. and like I said the executive producer in music is just the boss of the entire album maybe steering the the general direction of the album.

 

[nieman]

People still don’t know what producing is in 2023-24?

It's way more than just making beats. If Puff has a stack of records playing in the studio and hears a section on a Al Green record that he thinks would be dope to sample, and he tells Nashiem to chop it and throw a reverse kick on it along with a low end bassline, and a snare with mad reverb. And then throws a concept at B.I.G. for what he can talk about on the record, and this record turns into "My Downfall", then that makes Puff a co-producer. If he's in the studio telling you how to sing sh*t and where to put certain hooks and which lyrics to keep and which to cut, that's production.

But if you're making beats at home and uploading them online, and some dude you don’t know comes an cops a couple tracks from your online store, and goes and makes a mixtape with them, and you don’t even know dude is using your sh*t, you didn't produce those records. You just made the beats. Production is about being involved with the creation of the actual record. Your input and involvement is what it's about. If you didn't have anything to do with the creation of the song, you ain't a producer on it.

But for some of the argument against Puff is that he wasn't even doing that at some point. Not saying all, because there's tons of footage and documentation of Puff doing just that, but other known established producers saying that he didn't touch ish on the record, but added his credit to it...or added his voice or a sound effect to it just to have co-production credit.

But then people discredit other's involvement when they do the same ish.

 

[Art Barr]

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Uptown was making music like that already.
There were female artists and groups that emerged later. Real Love was the perfect marriage of that style, and put Mary on the map. What kept her on the map were a series of hit singles and albums, some with that blend formula, and some into more traditional R&B.
The right single can launch or reboot the career of an act and separate them from similar acts. Real Love, with the Top Billing beat was HUGE.......in my opinion, it did for Mary what Shook Ones part 2 did for Mobb Deep.
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Miss Jones came out, and her project never caught on. Not Puffy or Mary's fault that her label dropped the ball.

You excusing bite'n.


Just stop.

Especially biting where a staci Lattimore background dancer. Literally sharks a nyc dj legends whole style.


Please stop with the mca way history lesson?


I used to talk to jodeci on the phone before they even dropped with mca and after.
By way of my cousin who came up with them.

So again stop.

We not excusing bite'n.

We are here because bite'n was allowed and it gave puff license to co tinge disrespecting hiphop at a predominately commercial rnb label.

Regardless how much anyone adored uptown mca.

Uptown mca is why business wise black people have no power in urban anything. As mca split with labels created a corrosive admin flavor to signing black people in the industry in all aspects

Especially film too.

So again stop.


We not given passes.


Art Barr

 

[Art Barr]

It's hilarious how many people cannot understand that on this site.

Music projects are gonna have "producers" the same way a movie does, the word isn't solely used to describe a beatmaker

Breh .


Stop with the derogatory term like beat maker. That is an rnb nikka playing admin style games in hiphop's business of rap.

Stop the demonstrative shyt to hiphop.
on a hiphop culture based board and setting.
If you ain't chop, interpolate, sequence, arrange on a beat machine or scratch on a 1200 equivalent. You did not produce anything in the business of rap.

Even if I propose a sample I did not produce the beat.

Simple as that.

Stop listening to these house duck phonies and rnb bytches about hiphop. They are misappropriation artist and culture thief.

stop listening to these ducks and toys false narrative about hiphop.

Art Barr

 

[Roovers410]

Puff is the best executive producer hiphop ever had.

Ready to Die , Life after Death , Whats the 411 , Jodeci , No way out, project funk da World , American Gangster. Faith , 112

1 album can be luck, 2 Street smart. 80 million records is pure vision.

 

[Roovers410]

Puff is the best executive producer hiphop ever had.

Ready to Die , Life after Death , Whats the 411 , Jodeci , No way out, project funk da World , American Gangster. Faith , 112

1 album can be luck, 2 Street smart. 80 million records is pure vision.

 

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

Lol @ it's coming out now. This was known. Regardless they can't void those contracts. You don't have to "do anything" physically to get those credits. Don't get caught up in the hype of the feeding frenzy around Puff just because the sharks smelled blood in the water since Cassy got paid does not mean that all these new lawsuits are valid or going anywhere. They are are mostly speculative and most of em will get scraped.

 

[Artificial Intelligence]

Pretty good… didn’t know puff didn’t all that.. great album

 

[Art Barr]

So you don't feel like the sampling of artists like James Brown was a continuation of one genre into another to give it it's footing? We didn't have alot of the same stuff to make complete compositions, so the sampling was a way to still get a sound and feeling that we didn't have access to.

This comment is made not knowing th full scope of the culture. I am not demonstrative against sampling. Pop sampling like puff did was taboo. James Brown loops and beat breaks died as part of rap's landscape.
five years before puff had prominence. Yet was never taboo. How puff made records was taboo in hiphop culturally in every possible way. Especially the types of loops he commissioned to be made while faking like a rap producer and trying to misappropriate hiphop culture using fake verbiage like producer for requesting commission be made in the studio. While never really producing any actual real product. What puff did was commission work. He was never a producer and anyone trying to say they produce a rap record using commission in place of actually producing a record is a flaug'n cap'n ass culture thief. Like puff who is a part of house or disco and was never apart if hiphop. As hiphop is completely juxtaposed from house or disco. Or amy if disco's practices. As hiphop arose to be prescient against the usual pitfalls of rhe genre's of music.



Art Barr