So Puff Diddy isnt a record producer either....we knew?

[trillanova]

Puff is nothing more than a rich kid who went to private school and ended up in hip-hop. He's basically a non rapping Drake

He was a black rich kid with a black mother and father. So what if he grew up with money. Hip Hop is black culture. Drake is half Jewish.

 

[newarkhiphop]

He was a black rich kid with a black mother and father. So what if he grew up with money. Hip Hop is black culture. Drake is half Jewish.

Rich kid playing street dude who got two legends killed, indirectly ruined dozen of other lives and apparently was out there raping chick's.

 

[thephatmack]

'Every Breath You Take'. I don't think that excludes it, a lot of songs are like that. Even with cover versions, the cover will often become the popular version of the song, which has basically happened with Missing You at this point.

"Every Breath You Take..I'll be watching you.." was the lyric...
You are kind of right..
But the original was absolutely huge!
See Puffs team took a ready made hit and copied everything.

Doesn't count.
Samples are one thing. This was beyond that.

PS. Not you as well?
How may accounts Does Razzay have on here?
I've counted at least 5.

 

[trillanova]

Rich kid playing street dude who got two legends killed, indirectly ruined dozen of other lives and apparently was out there raping chick's.

We know that. But that wasn't my point. It's plenty of nikkas in the hood who do the same exact thing who aren't famous or as famous. It's not about money, it's about culture. Sean Combs is a black man in Hip Hop. So is Jay-Z. They both ruined lives and had hands in dangerous sitations that led to people being killed. But Sean Carter is more legit than Sean Combs because Jay grew up in Marcy?

Are you a cac?

 

[JustCKing]

Because its basically a remake of I'll be watching you by Sting with different lyrics.





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So basically, you're knocking the song for being a remake. Really?

 

[trillanova]

So basically, you're knocking the song for being a remake. Really?

He didn't make it. It's not his song. The reason it blew up was because of the familiarity of the original.

 

[JustCKing]

He didn't make it. It's not his song. The reason it blew up was because of the familiarity of the original.

You could say that about EVERY song that has sampled a hit record. So let's go ahead and discredit every record that has sampled a hit song.

 

[trillanova]

You could say that about EVERY song that has sampled a hit record. So let's go ahead and discredit every record that has sampled a hit song.

This particular song is what I'm talking about, not every song. He did take most of the song, including the lyrics for his version of the hook. So he took alot from the original, not just a piece.

 

[JustCKing]

This particular song is what I'm talking about, not every song.

No, by your logic every song that samples a hit record blew up due to familiarity. How do you not see that this is basically what you're saying? How do we single out this one song when there are many a song that have done the same?

 

[trillanova]

No, by your logic every song that samples a hit record blew up due to familiarity. How do you not see that this is basically what you're saying? How do we single out this one song when there are many a song that have done the same?

Because we're specifically talking about Puff who is a non musician. That's what this thread is about.

 

[JustCKing]

Because we're specifically talking about Puff who is a non musician. That's what this thread is about.

What does matter whether he's a musician? That's not what this thread is about. A producer =/= a musician. You're moving goal posts. Even so, you just discredited a record for sampling a hit song because it blew up off familiarity when the same could be said for ANY song that samples a hit record.

 

[trillanova]

What does matter whether he's a musician? That's not what this thread is about. A producer =/= a musician. You're moving goal posts. Even so, you just discredited a record for sampling a hit song because it blew up off familiarity when the same could be said for ANY song that samples a hit record.

You said that people were knocking it because it was a remake. I simply said it's not his song because he took most of the original and made his version. It wasn't just a sample. He took major parts of the original to slap on a tribute to gain sympathy and further his agenda. We're not talking about sampling in general, we're talking about Puff's methods and what makes him a producer without much actual musicianship. Nobody was stating anything but what is and you're talking about moving goalposts. The argument is still the same.

 

[JustCKing]

You said that people were knocking it because it was a remake. I simply said it's not his song because he took most of the original and made his version. It wasn't just a sample. He took major parts of the original to slap on a tribute to gain sympathy and further his agenda. We're not talking about sampling in general, we're talking about Puff's methods and what makes him a producer without much actual musicianship. Nobody was stating anything but what is and you're talking about moving goalposts. The argument is still the same.

Not its not because plenty of songs have taken parts of the sampled record including the hook and even parts of the verses to create a song. If this was exclusive to Puff, you'd have a point. Since its not exclusive to Puff then your entire argument falls flat.

 

[trillanova]

Not its not because plenty of songs have taken parts of the sampled record including the hook and even parts of the verses to create a song. If this was exclusive to Puff, you'd have a point. Since its not exclusive to Puff then your entire argument falls flat.

It's exclusive to Puff in here because this is who we're talking about in the thread.

 

[thephatmack]

You said that people were knocking it because it was a remake. I simply said it's not his song because he took most of the original and made his version. It wasn't just a sample. He took major parts of the original to slap on a tribute to gain sympathy and further his agenda. We're not talking about sampling in general, we're talking about Puff's methods and what makes him a producer without much actual musicianship. Nobody was stating anything but what is and you're talking about moving goalposts. The argument is still the same.

Yep. Spot on.
This is NOT just a sample.
Its a remake. Very different.

& it's on topic and came up because our man with 500 user names Razzay / JustCKing listed it as Puffs main commercial hit.

So not only Did Puff have no hand in producing it.
It's Sting and the Polices record.

The fact it sold so much because it related to Biggies death is another point.

Did Puffy have any big recorda at all? Not without Usher, Biggie or Mase writing the vocals and the Hitmen producng the beats

Way way different to JD. Puff is just a backing dancer.

PS. You can buy grammy performances and lifetime achievement awards.