So Puff Diddy isnt a record producer either....we knew?

[thephatmack]

The responses in the thread seem to be coming from Puffs Street team & many are missing the point.

He doesn't produce BUT adds his name as a producer or co producer to get royalties. I hear without consent at times, so more lawsuits will come.

Sean Combs production discography - Wikipedia

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Ref exec producing. Exec producing freak offs. That's all.

 

[FunkDoc1112]

If you check out the Hitmen interview that was in XXL, that's how those albums were made back then. Or the new BIG book. Mary is another person who talks about the process of My Life and 411. Devante from Jodeci spoke on it too. Puff is everywhere in the studio telling people what to do and how to do it. That's producing. Pete Rock had an issue with Puff because he asked Pete to use the Mtume sh*t for "Juicy" and when he made the beat, Puff had already gone to Tone from Trackmasters and had him do the same sh*t, and they used his version and not Pete's.

Puff wants to be involved with the whole process. That's his actual talent. He's not gonna sit down and write his own rhymes or make a beat on the MPC. But he will get people who do write and do make beats to create the sh*t he sees in his head as dope. Which is why so many artists and producers have always said that he's annoying to work with in the studio. He's in there coaching and directing all night. That's literally what a producer does.

Hell to bring it back full circle to rap fans idea of a producer, one example is RZA on Supreme Clientele. He only made like 3 beats on the album but was involved in the actual production and arrangement of every single song...so even though he wasn't on the boards like the first run of solo albums its still a RZA-Produced record

 

[thephatmack]

I think JD has a equal or greater response to anything Puff has. It's all about what you respond with.

JD vs the Hitmen is the battle here and JD would destroy ... he has 10 global global commercial hits.
I think record sales wise only Dre Dre or Timbo are close.

Puff has no business in the conversation.

 

[Elim Garak]

I wish these motherfukkers didn't drag their feet with that verzuz. That shyt is never happening now.

 

[Striving For Greatness]

Hiphops Quincy Jones

 

[FunkDoc1112]

It makes you a co-producer whether you accepted the role of one or not. You altered the song from what it would've been had you not given your input.

This is part of why Kanye tracks have so many co production credits. shyt Ye will give you credit if you brought some wings to the studio because it rejuvenated their brains

 

[JustCKing]

JD vs the Hitmen is the battle here and JD would destroy ... he has 10 global global commercial hits.
I think record sales wise only Dre Dre or Timbo are close.

Puff has no business in the conversation.

Tell that to JD. He is the one who called out Puff. And if we're talking global hits:

Been Around The World
Benjamins
I'll Be Missing You

^^^ these are just 3 singles off Puff's No Way Out. We could throw in "Feels So Good", "Mo Money Mo Problems", and "Can't Nobody Hold Me Down". All songs that are Puff's songs or songs he was featured on.

And we've witnessed songs that were commercial smashes lose to songs that weren't as big.

 

[FunkDoc1112]

A lot of yall don't understand the music business and how music is created. Even vocal production and arrangements can be very intricate and requires a keen ear. So even if you didn't write the song and didn't have anything to do with the beat you can produce by telling the artist how to sing the lyrics and telling the engineer how to layer the vocals and which takes to scrap or keep etc.. that's all part of being a producer and it's not easy to do on a high level.

Think about it this way. If what diddy did was so easy there would be a lot more diddys. But there ain't. Everyone doesn't know how to make a hit song or hit album.

A producer in the traditional sense is more like a movie director. Like Martin Scorsese may not be the one writing the script, designing the sets, acting the lines, hitting the boards in the editing room but he's overseeing and dictating every step of the process and getting the team to carry out his vision.

I work in advertising as a copywriter, and my job is basically coming up with some shyt that satisfies my creative director's vision. The creative director is basically my producer in this case. They'll tell me, "Hey come up with a line/campaign" or whatever, I'll give them my ideas and work and they'll give feedback to make it better, revise it or whatever, and then give me directions on how to proceed. Like yeah I'm the one doing the actual work and concepting, but I'm following somebody else's lead and they play a big part in the final product. So essentially, I'm the beatmaker/session musician/whatever and my CD is the producer

 

[trillanova]

JD vs the Hitmen is the battle here and JD would destroy ... he has 10 global global commercial hits.
I think record sales wise only Dre Dre or Timbo are close.

Puff has no business in the conversation.

I understand, but the Hitmen wouldn't win because they aren't a face. They may have legendary production but they don't have the actual star quality to contend and defend the records.

 

[thephatmack]

Tell that to JD. He is the one who called out Puff. And if we're talking global hits:

Been Around The World
Benjamins
I'll Be Missing You

^^^ these are just 3 singles off Puff's No Way Out. We could throw in "Feels So Good", "Mo Money Mo Problems", and "Can't Nobody Hold Me Down". All songs that are Puff's songs or songs he was featured on.

And we've witnessed songs that were commercial smashes lose to songs that weren't as big.

He called our puff because he knows Puff isn't a producer.
You've listed hiphop hits not global hits. Big difference.

I'll be missing you doesn't count. It's more like remake of a huge Sting track.

 

[trillanova]

Hiphops Quincy Jones

Quincy can play, read and compose music. Unless you're talking about this is another way.

 

[Funcrusher]

Musically, a curator is the same as a producer. You are overseeing the creation or production of a song. This wouldn't be a difficult concept to grasp if most people on here weren't so stuck on downplaying, devaluing, and discrediting EVERYBODY.

Yet people like DJ Premier, Q-Tip, RZA, Pete Rock etc were perfectly capable of producing classics without someone overseeing production.

 

[Alvin]

FINALLY it's starting to come out officially & via law suits that Puff didn't actually do anything in the studio and forced that exec producer / producer credit for a royalties cut + to give himself some musical pedigree.

Have seen one story so far.

We all knew right?

He is like the production version of Milli Vanilli....

diddy ain't a beat maker like rza or premier, he's an executive producer more like quincy jones.

 

[jadillac]

I mean, as someone who can and does actually PRODUCE music, sometimes I find it offensive.

It’s not like say Quincy Jones who at one time played a musical instrument and arranged bands, etc.

In this case, it just means I was in the room and paid a lot of money for everyone else to be here.

He’s a goddamn glorified events manager basically. A host that invites artists to work with other artists.

Unfortunately, the line is blurred.

Quincy Jones was a producer bc he put the right ppl together in the session.

Puff maybe did some of that, but he listened and I guess tells them, this is hot, this'll be better if you take this out.

But making beats also makes you a producer bc you produced the track.

 

[New Jeruz Jewelz]

nikkas act like Trump built the Trump Towers or every Hilton is connected to the family. Having Puff on your records was the equivalent to seeing the Wu logo on a CD back in the day. You gotta pay for that.