So the whole "Superteam" idea is dead, right?

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Read what I posted again.

The fact that the Spurs had no interior big man rebounder on that posession (yes, I know about the small ball defending the 3), the ball bouncing to Bosh and him facing in the direction (when catching it) of the most accomplished 3-pt shooter of all time is INCREDIBLY lucky. After Bron's missed shot, just about every single possible factor was in the Heat's favor.

This is just an example of ALL the things that were in the Heat's favor, that other team teams didn't have benefit of having.
 

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Read what I posted again.

The fact that the Spurs had no interior big man rebounder on that posession (yes, I know about the small ball defending the 3), the ball bouncing to Bosh and him facing in the direction (when catching it) of the most accomplished 3-pt shooter of all time is INCREDIBLY lucky. After Bron's missed shot, just about every single possible factor was in the Heat's favor.

This is just an example of ALL the things that were in the Heat's favor, that other team teams didn't have benefit of having.
Fair enough :manny: That's much different than saying the shot was lucky tho
 
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Make dumb points then blame it on lack of reading comprehension, brehs :troll:
None of the points I stated were dumb. Good teams find a way to get shyt done? Would have they found a way to get shyt done, if Rose didn't get injured in 2012 and instead the Heat's equivalent player got injured on their team (Bron)? No of course not. Like I said before they have avoided all major crises, and again it's taking absolutely nothing away from what they have accomplished, but the fact is they have been more lucky than any other Superteam in the league.
 

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The Nets are the biggest sad case though, worse than the Knicks cause these are the players drafted with their picks -

Damian Lillard
Enes Kanter

They also gave up Favors for Deron, shyt is crazy breh.
The Nets and Knicks are in different situations though.

Having Lillard /Kanter /Favors would be nice, but for a team that was moving to a new arena, made a move to try to win now that was applauded, with a new owner tryna make his mark, rebuilding was only gonna be an option if they couldn't have kept Williams. The Knicks and Nets are where they are because trying it through rebuilding and developing and doing it the way other teams try to do it just gets frowned upon because it comes with a lot of losing, and with this city, we tune out losers so fast.
 
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Fair enough :manny: That's much different than saying the shot was lucky tho
You misinterpreted what I said. The actual shot itself isn't necessarily lucky, all the things leading up to the shot were. As is everything else that has lead them to getting two titles. All these Superteams have self-destructed or got injured and the other 'contenders' have been either too young and inexperienced to actually compete with them.

The Heat have basically been without a rival for the last 2-3 seasons, because all these other Superteams have been killed off from factors that haven't affected Miami.
 

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The Nets and Knicks are in different situations though.

Having Lillard /Kanter /Favors would be nice, but for a team that was moving to a new arena, made a move to try to win now that was applauded, with a new owner tryna make his mark, rebuilding was only gonna be an option if they couldn't have kept Williams. The Knicks and Nets are where they are because trying it through rebuilding and developing and doing it the way other teams try to do it just gets frowned upon because it comes with a lot of losing, and with this city, we tune out losers so fast.

And in the end, the team ends up being a loser anyway for a much longer period of time than they were good. The Nets with Lopez, Lillard, Favors and Kanter would be better than what they have now, NY teams are just shortsighted.

Both teams would sell out the majority of games regardless of how bad they are if they had young exciting players.
 

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The Nets are just a disaster. Hiring a player fresh off the court to coach a team with a one-year window was laughable. Deron Williams & Lopez haven't been healthy for an extended period yet & Kevin Garnett is washed. No shame in that. He's 37 & Father Time is undefeated. I'm interested to see the eventual coaching change because, truthfully, I don't think Kidd ever had that locker room

I say that to say this: I don't think the formula is dead, I just think it takes the right combination of talent, coaching & upper management, something that the Celtics & now the Heat have excelled in to this point. Pickups like Battier (HUGE Game 7 vs SA), Birdman (Energy, interior D for a very small squad), Eddie House, PJ Brown (Game 7 of the 2008 ECF) were relatively small pick-ups that ended up being HUGE in the grand scheme. Hopefully Beas & *crosses fingers* Oden are part of the list when it's all said & done
 
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And in the end, the team ends up being a loser anyway for a much longer period of time than they were good. The Nets with Lopez, Lillard, Favors and Kanter would be better than what they have now, NY teams are just shortsighted.

Both teams would sell out the majority of games regardless of how bad they are if they had young exciting players.

In fairness to the Nets, when they got D-Will, he was at worst the 3rd best PG in the league. Who knew he'd develop titties, cankles, and a nagging injury problem?

And being short sighted is why these makeshift super teams get propped up. With guys already plotting on where they wanna go, you have that much less time to build a team sustain it, and strike while you can.
 

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The Nets and Knicks are in different situations though.

Having Lillard /Kanter /Favors would be nice, but for a team that was moving to a new arena, made a move to try to win now that was applauded, with a new owner tryna make his mark, rebuilding was only gonna be an option if they couldn't have kept Williams. The Knicks and Nets are where they are because trying it through rebuilding and developing and doing it the way other teams try to do it just gets frowned upon because it comes with a lot of losing, and with this city, we tune out losers so fast.

Can't put it any better. The Deron trade at the time it was made was a good deal because this wasn't a Melo situation where he was coming even if we didn't trade for him. We lost out on Melo and basically fell into the trade with Utah. No one could have predicted his ankles turning into dust, and when he is healthy he has played well for us but he can't stay that way. I have no issues with the trade and will never have any, it's not fair to look back and act like we all knew Deron would start breaking down.

The Wallace trade is unforgivable, just a pure panic move with no thought from King. He feared Deron leaving so much he thought getting a name would help, yet he picked Gerald Wallace and then used the dumbest excuse of all time "We only like 3 players in the draft so if we aren't in the top 3 it don't matter". It's an unbelievable statement to make, just because you don't value it doesn't mean it can be used to get another piece come the Summer.

As for this season, I still like this team if they can get it together. Problem is Deron and Brook go down, Pierce can't find his jumper when he's getting open looks all night, and we don't know what KG we are getting, he looks good for a few minutes then all of a sudden looks like he's 50. Then our bench which is really good has to play starters minutes, and while they are good for 15-20 minutes guys like Livingston and Blatche can't give you 30-35 good minutes and then have guys like Alan Anderson getting 20-25. When this team was 100% in the preseason, I know the games don't count but there was ball movement and open looks on Offense, and they were talking and helping on defense. This roster as it was intended is not a mess, but the situation we are currently in with the roster is a mess. If everyone comes back and we still look like total garbage then I'll give in, but I still think there's a slight pulse with us.

I'm not gonna mention our Head Coach other than that he need to be fired, it's as simple as that. He's not ready for this situation.
 
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