So Tupac Invented The Term "Larry Holmes, Flabby N Sick"

[Canada Goose]

Reason Pac dissed Jay Z is because Jay and Biggie clowned Pac's shooting in the dead presidents video...

Basically towards the end of the video Jay & Biggie was rolling dice on a map of America and it landed on Cali and Biggie said under his breath "who shot ya " and everyone was like

That's why on War Games Pac was like "Jay Z tried to play me"

 

[hex]

He said when De La Soul was putting potholes in the game.

They clearly took offense to it and snubbed subliminally on one of their tracks. He responded

Tupac was on some stalker ish with other rappers, you thought if you hide the diss deep in your album he wasn't gonna find it but nope . . no where was safe

Why would they take offense to him referencing a well known De La song, on a song called "Old School", which is a basically a love letter to NY/old school rap?

Son....read the thread. De La Soul spoke to Pac's sister. He was a fan. That's why he shouted them out. The reason he dissed them was over the video to "Ego Trippin", which was a misunderstanding.

This isn't open to interpretation. I'm telling you exactly what happened, and even provided links to interviews explaining it. You still being confused is as hell.

Fred.

 

[Mac Casper]

Why would they take offense to him referencing a well known De La song, on a song called "Old School", which is a basically a love letter to NY/old school rap?

Son....read the thread. De La Soul spoke to Pac's sister. He was a fan. That's why he shouted them out. The reason he dissed them was over the video to "Ego Trippin", which was a misunderstanding.

This isn't open to interpretation. I'm telling you exactly what happened, and even provided links to interviews explaining it. You still being confused is as hell.

Fred.

You can watch your tone

I've provided all the necessary details, whatever you choose to see from that is your reality . . not ours

 

[nineteeneightysix]

And Pac invented "Bling" too...

 

[Dirty_Jerz]

And Pac invented "Bling" too...

link

 

[Still Benefited]

Why would they take offense to him referencing a well known De La song, on a song called "Old School", which is a basically a love letter to NY/old school rap?

Son....read the thread. De La Soul spoke to Pac's sister. He was a fan. That's why he shouted them out. The reason he dissed them was over the video to "Ego Trippin", which was a misunderstanding.

This isn't open to interpretation. I'm telling you exactly what happened, and even provided links to interviews explaining it. You still being confused is as hell.

Fred.

I agree with both of y'all actually,the LL line in Oldschool is kindve disrespectfu and LL had a right to respond back.....and I think most fans took it as homage and most people don't even bat a eyelash at the LL line on Oldschool bcuz the whole thing seems like homage from a fans perspective.


BUT on the otherhand if u think about it we see these dudes as legends NOW who should be paid that kinda homage,but back then I could imagine they didn't want to be considered "Old School" by one of they peers who wuz Pac,not all of them but many of em I could imagine felt that way.

Just look at Rakim,If I remember right he wuz kinda salty about Nas makin the U.B.R record and speakin about him as if he was finished in this rap shyt, Rakim....and this is 20 yrs long after Rakim is irrelevant in the mainstream so u can only imagine how "homage" may not be taken that way when u talkin about active nikkas in past tense in the early 90's.

But I agree with you on this one,I don't think he wuz intentionally disrespecting De La Soul on that song,and I don't think they took offense to it,they wuz just speakin out against the flossy gangsta rap aspect,pac connected that with the video as them hating on the type of music he makes.

 

[hex]

I agree with both of y'all actually,the LL line in Oldschool is kindve disrespectfu and LL had a right to respond back.....and I think most fans took it as homage and most people don't even bat a eyelash at the LL line on Oldschool bcuz the whole thing seems like homage from a fans perspective.


BUT on the otherhand if u think about it we see these dudes as legends NOW who should be paid that kinda homage,but back then I could imagine they didn't want to be considered "Old School" by one of they peers who wuz Pac,not all of them but many of em I could imagine felt that way.

Just look at Rakim,If I remember right he wuz kinda salty about Nas makin the U.B.R record and speakin about him as if he was finished in this rap shyt, Rakim....and this is 20 yrs long after Rakim is irrelevant in the mainstream so u can only imagine how "homage" may not be taken that way when u talkin about active nikkas in past tense.

But I agree with you on this one,I don't think he wuz intentionally disrespecting De La Soul on that song,and I don't think they took offense to it,they wuz just speakin out against the flossy gangsta rap aspect,pac connected that with the video as them hating on the type of music he makes.

Well, rap careers age in dog years breh. "Potholes in my Lawn" came out in '88. "Old School" came out in '95. That was damn near a whole different era. Rap was developing so fast back then even 5 years seemed like forever.

Eric B and Rakim "Follow The Leader" dropped in '88, in '93 we had Snoop's "Doggystyle". Playing them albums back to back is

Not to mention, by '95 De La was basically phased out. They dropped "Stakes Is High" in '96 then disappeared for 4 years. So hell man....I'd be cheesin if Pac, a superstar, mentioned my song from '88.

Obviously this is specifically about De La. I agree with what you said about LL.

Fred.

 

[Majestic Pape]

The crazy thing is Larry Holmes had a great career

Fixed.

 

[Bigbigguy]

Fixed.

Coli nikkas probably don't know who he is

 

[Northern Son]

Fixed.

Yup. Larry is a top 5 HW all time (that jab ). The line made sense in the 90s when he was centuries past his prime and embarrassing his legacy by still competing but he's a retired 60 year old now so it's not unusual that he's flabby and sick .

 

[Still Benefited]

Well, rap careers age in dog years breh. "Potholes in my Lawn" came out in '88. "Old School" came out in '95. That was damn near a whole different era. Rap was developing so fast back then even 5 years seemed like forever.

Eric B and Rakim "Follow The Leader" dropped in '88, in '93 we had Snoop's "Doggystyle". Playing them albums back to back is

Not to mention, by '95 De La was basically phased out. They dropped "Stakes Is High" in '96 then disappeared for 4 years. So hell man....I'd be cheesin if Pac, a superstar, mentioned my song from '88.

Obviously this is specifically about De La. I agree with what you said about LL.

Fred.

No doubt and I think they took it as respect that is if they wuz even checkin for pac and heard it........but it all depends on the perspective the rapper who the homage is bein paid too....sum emcees will never believe they have been phased out til they retire or die,which maybe its just a different mindset of the oldheads...won't say if its right or wrong,they just came up in it different and have a different mentality maybe.....I remember tech 9 dissed rakim bcuz he didn't show up to a show bcuz he refused to open for tech9 even tho tech is clearly the draw on the card almost everywhere as he's one of the hottest nikkas on the independent shyt.

 

[Mac Casper]

And Pac invented "Bling" too...

I was the one who broke this shocking development

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

I agree with both of y'all actually,the LL line in Oldschool is kindve disrespectfu and LL had a right to respond back.....and I think most fans took it as homage and most people don't even bat a eyelash at the LL line on Oldschool bcuz the whole thing seems like homage from a fans perspective.


BUT on the otherhand if u think about it we see these dudes as legends NOW who should be paid that kinda homage,but back then I could imagine they didn't want to be considered "Old School" by one of they peers who wuz Pac,not all of them but many of em I could imagine felt that way.

Just look at Rakim,If I remember right he wuz kinda salty about Nas makin the U.B.R record and speakin about him as if he was finished in this rap shyt, Rakim....and this is 20 yrs long after Rakim is irrelevant in the mainstream so u can only imagine how "homage" may not be taken that way when u talkin about active nikkas in past tense in the early 90's.

But I agree with you on this one,I don't think he wuz intentionally disrespecting De La Soul on that song,and I don't think they took offense to it,they wuz just speakin out against the flossy gangsta rap aspect,pac connected that with the video as them hating on the type of music he makes.

I don't think he dissed LL with that line. Just think he was saying he moved to different songs to fall in love with. I mean in the 3rd verse he says "I remember breakdancing to melle mel,jekyl hyde and LL when he rocks the bells" Then on the outro "llcoolj as hard as hell" No point in dissing a nikka once and saluting twice. It was all props,though the 1st props coulda been phrased better


[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KB7cV3oJQFc"]2pac - Old School - YouTube[/ame]


http://ohhla.com/anonymous/2_pac/matworld/oldskool.2pc.txt

 

[DontEemTry]

Just proves that Pac was a paranoid fakkit. So dissed Jay-Z simply because he was "gonna be a problem"?

I guess it proves that Pac knew on the low that Hov was that nikka.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

LL never really dissed him either..yeah he had that I Shot Ya remix thing goin on, but that wasnt a direct Pac diss.

Same for the Fugees and Jay, Nas, Mobb Deep, etc..but Pac was paranoid and took the whole "WAR" mantra to a new level.

It cost him his life.

this is wrong.

the fugees, de la soul, mobb deep, jay camel and ALOT of other people dissed pac first.

i think LL took offense to that line from "old school" and rightfully so. the LL beef is the only one i could say that pac deserved the blame for.

i think the nas/pac beef was a misunderstanding between the both of them.