Marion and Stoudamire were better.
And Joe Johnson probably could have outplayed him then too.
![]()

Marion and Stoudamire were better.
And Joe Johnson probably could have outplayed him then too.
![]()

Use team accomplishments to vote on individual awards, brehs
![]()

I wasn't speaking about you specifically grandpaI'm 35 breh.
I actually watched Michael in his prime, unlike some coli members.
![]()
just in generalities.Arod won the MVP for a last place team.
![]()
He was just throwing alley oops to Stoudamire and Marion while shooting below-average from the floor and playing lame defense. 1 steal per game avg?
make a post with no logic or research behind it because you were only 3 when it happened brehs![]()
You fukkin wankerNobody considered Rod Beck (RIP) great.We're talking about basketball, a real sport, not a CAC fake sport like baseball where fat asses like Rod Beck can be considered great.

Individual accomplishments not being relevant to team accomplishments is a tenet that's shared across all sports, you jagaloon.Stop comparing baseball mvp's to basketball you idiot.
If MJ was on the Bucks instead of the Bulls, he'd still have been the best player in the league, record be damned.Because the Suns had the best record in the league in 2005 at 62-20 after finishing 29-53 the year before (21-40 with MDA) and in 2006 Amare Stoudemire missed all but three games with a knee injury yet the Suns led by Nash still maintained the top offense in the league and got the 2nd seed in the West. In the postseason he played transcendent basketball and was Dirk dominating the Suns (which he was powerless to stop) from making the NBA Finals without his 2nd best player & leading scorer
Kobe wasn't going to win it because his teams weren't good enough. Didn't make the playoffs in 2005. Yeah team success means alot in terms of MVP voting. Pretty rare you don't have a team sitting at or near the top of a conference yet win MVP. LBJ's Cavs weren't good enough either. KG's wolves were terrible they didn't even make the playoffs.

If MJ was on the Bucks instead of the Bulls, he'd still have been the best player in the league, record be damned.
That's all I'm saying.
![]()
Individual accomplishments not being relevant to team accomplishments is a tenet that's shared across all sports, you jagaloon.
Only player in nba history to win mvp and his team didn't make the playoffs was kareem and that was damn near 40 years agoIf MJ was on the Bucks instead of the Bulls, he'd still have been the best player in the league, record be damned.
That's all I'm saying.
![]()