So you still got guys who think Kyrie better than Wall????

[Bledswole]

Reduce player comparisons to sum equations of arbitrary skill standards and make yourself look like a fool brehs.

I was wrong about Rondo, I can admit that.

But Rondo still is a helluva PG IMO,nikka just can't shoot,and that has hurt his career.

 

[ball15life]

I prefer Wall over Kyrie. Kyrie is just the better shooter.

Imagine if Wall had a consistent jumper...he would literally be a top 7 player in the league

 

[Bledswole]

Now would I trade Kyrie for wall nope...But I really like wall.

Nah,Cavs shouldn't Wall and Lebron don't compliment each other,Kyrie is the perfect guy for Lebron.

But I wouldn't trade Wall for Kyrie either,that Wizards team would be trash if you replaced Kyrie for Wall

 

[Dr. Narcisse]

What? Man stop,Lebron is responsible for that,Wall is the better two way player,and though he hasn't won a ring he has been the best player on his team each time they've made the playoffs,you crazy if you think Wall doesn't have an argument for being better than Kyrie.

Even if Wall is the better player I don't think he could have done to Golden State what Kyrie did.

 

[NYC Rebel]

Those "end of games theatrics" as you put it actually go a long way when weighing up impact. shyt you could make the argument that there's 5-10 PGs at least who're better assist men and defenders than Kyrie, that doesn't mean all those PGs are better players.

It goes a long way when your team often puts you in a position to get scenario. But being a good assist man and defender travels with a player regardless of team. Being an end game closer wouldn't mean shyt of Kyrie was a Net.

Why is it so hard for heads to understand?

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

A few,

Name them with explanations as to why.

Cavs record is trash when Lebron doesn't play,

How many times do you need to be told that the team is built around LeBron? Of course they're going to have bad record when the entire makeup of the team is basically built around one player and he doesn't play. How the fukk are you gonna argue this, when you believe Kawhi is a top 3 player in the league and yet the Spurs have a better record without him than they do with him this season.

Gordon Hayward just gonna replace a top 3 player of all time and make that big of a difference? Ok you got it

Where do you see me claiming that Hayward is going to replace LeBron's impact? Of course he isn't. However, he has the ability and skillset to HELP fill the void left by LeBron (simply because his style of play is similar and he's close to being an elite player), and with the help of Kyrie, Love and all the other role players picking up extra slack would put them in position to make it into the Finals.

They're most certainly not going to sweep teams like they did with LeBron last season, but they'd still be able to beat them. Only team where I could see them falling to would be Toronto.

 

[Dr. Narcisse]

I prefer Wall over Kyrie. Kyrie is just the better shooter.

Imagine if Wall had a consistent jumper...he would literally be a top 7 player in the league

Coming out of Kentucky I thought the Wall we're seeing now would be the Wall in his first couple of years. Kentucky prospect Wall = Westbrook.

Kyrie's got more upside. He's younger. Gets championship experience with LeBron. His skill set is more important for a pg in today's league (individual scoring)

Wizards wasted a lot of Wall's potential early in his career. Hurt his development. This may be the very best we see of Wall because of that. Kyrie's still got more room to grow.

 

[Bledswole]

Even if Wall is the better player I don't think he could have done to Golden State what Kyrie did.

It's not his style,Kyrie is a scorer,but Wall across the board could fukk Golden State up playing his game. And don't forget Wall has put up 40+ on GSW before,41&10 to be exact

 

[Bledswole]

Name them with explanations as to why.

How many times do you need to be told that the team is built around LeBron? Of course they're going to have bad record when the entire makeup of the team is basically built around one player. How the fukk are you gonna argue this, when you believe Kawhi is a top 3 player in the league and yet the Spurs have a better record without him than they do with him this season.

Where do you see me claiming that Hayward is going to replace LeBron's impact? Of course he isn't. However, he has the ability and skillset to HELP fill the void left by LeBron (simply because his style of play is similar and he's close to being an elite player), and with the help of Kyrie, Love and all the other role players picking up extra slack would put them in position to make it into the Finals.

They're most certainly not going to sweep teams like they did with LeBron last season, but they'd still be able to beat them. Only team where I could see falling to would be Toronto.

Kawhi is a top 3 player based off super efficient offense and being the best defender in the world two years in a row.

fukk all other aspects of the game,because scoring is the only thing that matters right?

 

[Dr. Narcisse]

It's not his style,Kyrie is a scorer,but Wall across the board could fukk Golden State up playing his game. And don't forget Wall has put up 40+ on GSW before,41&10 to be exact

There are times where LeBron just isn't looking to score and Kyrie just takes over and makes plays for himself.
I don't think Wall would be as good of a player with LeBron. Also Kyrie is better off the ball/catch and shoot. Wall/LeBron is just not as good of a fit.

Neither are #1's yet.

Here is the more interesting discussion...

Imagine if the Wizards had got Durant. Much better fit next to Wall. Now THAT would have been the best way to tell who is better.
That Conference Finals would have been

 

[Bledswole]

Coming out of Kentucky I thought the Wall we're seeing now would be the Wall in his first couple of years. Kentucky prospect Wall = Westbrook.

Kyrie's got more upside. He's younger. Gets championship experience with LeBron. His skill set is more important for a pg in today's league (individual scoring)

Wizards wasted a lot of Wall's potential early in his career. Hurt his development. This may be the very best we see of Wall because of that. Kyrie's still got more room to grow.

More upside based off what? The nikka only can score. If you put Kyrie on the Wizards in place of John Wall,are they a top 4 team in the east still? Yes or No?

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

It goes a long way when your team often puts you in a position to get scenario. But being a good assist man and defender travels with a player regardless of team. Being an end game closer wouldn't mean shyt of Kyrie was a Net.

Why is it so hard for heads to understand?

So essentially you're arguing that assist men and defenders have more impact and are better players than Kyrie?

What good is being a good assist man and defender when you can't close out games for your team?

And are we really reducing Kyrie's game to just being a closer?

 

[Bledswole]

There are times where LeBron just isn't looking to score and Kyrie just takes over and makes plays for himself.
I don't think Wall would be as good of a player with LeBron. Also Kyrie is better off the ball/catch and shoot. Wall/LeBron is just not as good of a fit.

Neither are #1's yet.

Here is the more interesting discussion...

Imagine if the Wizards had got Durant. Much better fit next to Wall. Now THAT would have been the best way to tell who is better.
That Conference Finals would have been

No,Wall and Lebron don't click,your right Kyrie is better suited to play with Lebron,match made in heaven.

And if Wizards had Durant and Beal on the Wings they'd prolly be the #1 seed,no lower than #2

 

[Bledswole]

So essentially you're arguing that assist men and defenders have more impact and are better players than Kyrie?

What good is being a good assist man and defender when you can't close out games for your team?

And are we really reducing Kyrie's game to just being a closer?

Yup,when that assist man that's defending is winning and giving you 23 a night to go along with it,hell yea he has more impact than Kyrie how doesn't he?

Wall got teams ready to give Porter max money Yall need to wake up,Wall is the truth

 

[NYC Rebel]

So essentially you're arguing that assist men and defenders have more impact and are better players than Kyrie?

That's your typical self created question. My point is that your team has to be good enough to put you in a position to be a closer.

I dare you answer MY self created question :

Which team is likely going to be within 3 points of the lead with 2 minutes left in the game...the Nets or the Cavs?

And when you answer that, tell me what is more likely to show up in a nightly basis, a guy who can distribute the ball and play D or a closer?