Somalia declares famine...again

[Micky Mikey]

Somali Bantus are originally from Tanzania/Mozambique, one of the few minority groups. They historically did farming because they populate Southern Somalia so they know more about the terrain. Siad Barre also implemented integration policies that got them to work as blacksmiths, carpenters, etc in Mogadishu. They're very hard workers.

And yeah, Somalis are arrogant people. They don't farm and never have farmed. It sounds stupid but it's true historically. I feel like ethnic Somalis came to the south with their herds and that's all they did. Very few ethnic Somalis were farmers pre-civil war.


Fishing was even seen as something they would make fun of other Somali clans of doing and we have the longest coastline in Africa for God sake

Is this a cultural issue?

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

Somali Bantus are originally from Tanzania/Mozambique, one of the few minority groups. They historically did farming because they populate Southern Somalia so they know more about the terrain. Siad Barre also implemented integration policies that got them to work as blacksmiths, carpenters, etc in Mogadishu. They're very hard workers.

And yeah, Somalis are arrogant people. They don't farm and never have farmed. It sounds stupid but it's true historically. I feel like ethnic Somalis came to the south with their herds and that's all they did. Very few ethnic Somalis were farmers pre-civil war.


Fishing was even seen as something they would make fun of other Somali clans of doing and we have the longest coastline in Africa for God sake

Yall make big money off pastoralism tho so maybe that adds on to the reasons yall don't farm, them sand cacs buy the fukk outta that Somali halal. If yall market was combined with Uganda and Kenya's the game would be sewed up.....

There needs to be a lot more stability before agriculture can really take hold tho.

 

[mtu wa chuma]

shyt like this only makes me believe in a united East African nation even more. It's the only long term answer, we're no good on our own we better as a team.

What? That will never work. You act like East Africa is one big homogenous area with the same ethnic groups and language

The East African economic bloc is already one of the strongest blocs in Africa and they should focus on strengthening it even further.

 

[FAH1223]

Yall make big money off pastoralism tho so maybe that adds on to the reasons yall don't farm, them sand cacs buy the fukk outta that Somali halal. If yall market was combined with Uganda and Kenya's the game would be sewed up.....

There needs to be a lot more stability before agriculture can really take hold tho.

that's true, the Gulf Arabs buy a lot of our camels as well as places like Egypt

same with goats, cows, etc

they make bread off of it but just imagine if that could be re-invested to agriculture instead of buying imported foods

 

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

that's true, the Gulf Arabs buy a lot of our camels as well as places like Egypt

same with goats, cows, etc

they make bread off of it but just imagine if that could be re-invested to agriculture instead of buying imported foods

I can't believe dudes don't wanna farm or fish that sounds bizzare to me. I could never imagine that one of the reasons for food shortage is lack of farming and not arable farm land.

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

What? That will never work. You act like East Africa is one big homogenous area with the same ethnic groups and language

The East African economic bloc is already one of the strongest blocs in Africa and they should focus on strengthening it even further.

lol, the EAC itself isn't some big homogenous area with the same ethnic groups/languages and yet their ultimate aim is consolidating into one state. Moreover, there are certain elements of culture shared between the groups the differences only come from the outside influences that've touched the region throughout history. Aside from that, it's in the economic, political, and security interests of East African countries to become one republic under common law and progressive standards that still respect cultures, religions, etc.

 

[Poitier]

What? That will never work. You act like East Africa is one big homogenous area with the same ethnic groups and language

The East African economic bloc is already one of the strongest blocs in Africa and they should focus on strengthening it even further.

So what is America? All it would take is a potent ideology and $$$$.

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

that's true, the Gulf Arabs buy a lot of our camels as well as places like Egypt

same with goats, cows, etc

they make bread off of it but just imagine if that could be re-invested to agriculture instead of buying imported foods

Well that's up to stability and education regarding that shyt. Brehs ain't goin think about farming if its always some kinda fukk shyt goin on. Conflicts between Ethiopia, Somalia, and Kenya in the past haven't helped with long term investment towards more agriculture. Yall haven't had the chance to diversify enough cuz shyt is so crazy, that's why I think unity would be best. Right now, having Ethiopia or Kenyan troops in Somalia don't feel right cuz that's sovereign soil and the action is more to insure the security of their respective countries when it should be security for the region as a whole. Ethiopia taking out the ICU was a terrible thing that shoulda never happened, if everyone is on the same page and not taking orders from the West then shyt like that wouldn't go down imo.

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

So what is America? All it would take is a potent ideology and $$$$.

Breh, I've written bits of a manifesto on this but I feel it needs a lot more work, so I'm on a real hunt for some books on the political history of the region so I can have a more informed view and can better understand the obstacles in the way of a modern united East Africa. But what you said is exactly how I feel, the right ideology and money behind it could turn this into a serious thing. It's a great alternative to the divisive tribal style common to the politics of East Africa, this is the right generation to revisit the ideas of Nkrumah as far as I'm concerned.

 

[mtu wa chuma]

lol, the EAC itself isn't some big homogenous area with the same ethnic groups/languages and yet their ultimate aim is consolidating into one state. Moreover, there are certain elements of culture shared between the groups the differences only come from the outside influences that've touched the region throughout history. Aside from that, it's in the economic, political, and security interests of East African countries to become one republic under common law and progressive standards that still respect cultures, religions, etc.

My point is, bringing together different countries with different ethnic groups will only make the problem worse not better. Even separate East African countries like Kenya have their own internal ethnic problems to deal with without adding more.

The main aim should be economic, political and military development through a big bloc where they can trade, move freely and share ideas to grow but as separate countries.

 

[Poitier]

Breh, I've written bits of a manifesto on this but I feel it needs a lot more work, so I'm on a real hunt for some books on the political history of the region so I can have a more informed view and can better understand the obstacles in the way of a modern united East Africa. But what you said is exactly how I feel, the right ideology and money behind it could turn this into a serious thing. It's a great alternative to the divisive tribal style common to the politics of East Africa, this is the right generation to revisit the ideas of Nkrumah as far as I'm concerned.

The Anglo-Saxons gave the blueprint with absorbing the Polish, Irish, Mexicans, Jews, etc .

Either Ethiopia or the EAC will need to become so prosperous that the other nations will willingly assimilate. Sudan and Somalia already tried to join the EAC so I think the desire is there.

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

My point is, bringing together different countries with different ethnic groups will only make the problem worse not better. Even separate East African countries like Kenya have their own internal ethnic problems to deal with without adding more.

The main aim should be economic, political and military development through a big bloc where they can trade, move freely and share ideas to grow but as separate countries.

That's how the EAC is starting out actually, it's using economics as a foundation to build greater unity and eventually a single state. I'm not suggesting a zero to 60 approach at all cuz it wouldn't work, but anyone with a brain can see the combined resources of those nations would make it potentially one of the most wealthy on the planet with a massive workforce with plenty of years to go before retirement. Reality is each African country has the problems you named, hell most countries have that problem. I don't think that's a reason not to try tho.

Besides, if you're suggesting the bolded what difference would there be at that point between them being separate countries over say working within a confederate construct where each state maintains autonomy but works as one nation? I think full consolidation and the redrawing of colonial borders should be the long term solution, a common economic, political, and military goal for everyone to reach together. Separation on this scale has only helped the exploiters from outside the continent.

 

[88m3]

One would think this would be preventable.

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

The Anglo-Saxons gave the blueprint with absorbing the Polish, Irish, Mexicans, Jews, etc .

Either Ethiopia or the EAC will need to become so prosperous that the other nations will willingly assimilate. Sudan and Somalia already tried to join the EAC so I think the desire is there.

South Sudan's energy potential is what I hope can tip the balance, that country in particular could be the heart of a regional nation. I was hoping Ogaden would have more natural gas reserves in it but prospectors didn't find much or else it'd only be more energy potential for a home grown industrial sector.

If the EAC is quick enough to get their integration program going then it'll start something imo, I know Ethiopia is mulling over membership, Somalia is pending, and Sudan was rejected but the EAC should revisit Sudan at some point cuz the gold deposits and the great historical sites can be money makers but it's gotta be with a regime change in Khartoum that brings real change to the treatment of Black Africans. I'm meeting people and I feel like I'm gettin warmer when it comes to finding the right audience for this topic. But when you look at the map, put a finger on the top of Sudan and the bottom of Tanzania and look up how much wealth of natural resources is within that space combined with one of the most ideal shipping locations on the planet. It's insane to me how this was never seriously considered even during the height of Pan Africanism.

I think that huge potential more than anything would be what convinces others to assimilate into a regional nation. Now as far as border re-drawing, the capitol, and the name of the country that's shyt that'll be tough to iron out.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

This is Southern Somalia

How is it possible to have a famine every couple years?

2011 was an embarrassment but we Somalis just keep going to new lows.

Another 250,000 will die for no other reason than corrupt government, Al Shabaab and no unity.

because of warlords who want to keep their hands in the pot.