Some People Call This Producing, I Call It Finessing

[Double Burger With Cheese]

Again you're equating the process of how tradtional rock, pop and R&B is produced to the process of hip hop music.

This simply isn't the reality beyond a handful of artists like Kanye.

Most of your favorite hip hop songs started with rapper hearing a beat and writing to it. There was no fukking tuba players in the studio getting coached by a maestro. These songs are put together by a beat maker and a rapper. That is the reality, still to this day.

It's just weird that this process seems unqiue to Puffy. With all his success you'd think rappers would be bringing in their own version of Puff to sprinkle that magic on the beats they get from lowly beat makers. Man someone needs to tell Premo to get a Puffy to help him actually contruct his songs. I mean he just makes the beats. He's basically nothing more than a bass player on Thriller.

Also, speaking of Premo, or we crediting Premo for Kick in the Door or is that all actually Puffy's work?

Help us out, breh. We don't understannd this music production the way you obviously do.

I think breh has the mindframe that when the average producer, and we talking producers who already in the industry too; I think breh believes these producers have the ability to make the beat, but not sequence the shyt or tweak they own beat.

Breh thinks that these same producers don’t share the same ability as Bluff to bring something to completion. That without Bluff Daddy, everyone in the studio would be lost and wouldn’t know what to do. Yes they have all the talent to actually make the shyt, but it’s only those rare musical minds like Bluffy that can take it to new heights

 

[L $ C]

I seriously hope you're getting paid for this Razz

You've been doing this for 20 years my man, going back to the SOHH days.

But why on earth you would be getting paid in 2020 to cheerlead for Diddy I have no idea.

 

[Razzay]

I think breh has the mindframe that when the average producer, and we talking producers who already in the industry too; I think breh believes these producers have the ability to make the beat, but not sequence the shyt or tweak they own beat.

Breh thinks that these same producers don’t share the same ability as Bluff to bring something to completion. That without Bluff Daddy, everyone in the studio would be lost and wouldn’t know what to do. Yes they have all the talent to actually make the shyt, but it’s only those rare musical minds like Bluffy that can take it to new heights

The proof is after 2000 what success did any of the hitmen have on billboard without puff? Any of them that had placements for artists didn’t go anywhere in the top 100. The reason why is because they lacked the lead producer - Puff

 

[Stick Up Kid]

Pharrell is Steve Jobs in this example...
...Puff is a worker at Apple giving some input.

nope. Pharrell can engineer, he’s the ceo
His boss, Puff, the owner is Steve Jobs, he’s guiding and creating the vision for him to apply it

 

[JustCKing]

Again you're equating the process of how tradtional rock, pop and R&B is produced to the process of hip hop music.

This simply isn't the reality beyond a handful of artists like Kanye.

Most of your favorite hip hop songs started with rapper hearing a beat and writing to it. There was no fukking tuba players in the studio getting coached by a maestro. These songs are put together by a beat maker and a rapper. That is the reality, still to this day.

It's just weird that this process seems unqiue to Puffy. With all his success you'd think rappers would be bringing in their own version of Puff to sprinkle that magic on the beats they get from lowly beat makers. Man someone needs to tell Premo to get a Puffy to help him actually contruct his songs. I mean he just makes the beats. He's basically nothing more than a bass player on Thriller.

Also, speaking of Premo, or we crediting Premo for Kick in the Door or is that all actually Puffy's work?

Help us out, breh. We don't understannd this music production the way you obviously do.

Breh, the definition or process of producing music doesn't change with Hip Hop. Most of these songs didn't start with a rapper hearing a beat and writing to it. The process differed by the artist. Some artists have no concept in mind and they are just vibing in the studio and conversations lead to songs. Some artists already have verses written in a notebook and they hear a beat and start spittin' what they wrote. Some producers send already created beats to artists. There's instances where artists hear a piano loop and start rapping over it and then other elements are added.

And no Premo doesn't just create beats. I have posted articles where Premo pretty much felt disrespected by even reducing what he does as a producer to just making beats. Finding a sample and chopping or looping that sample is a part of the production process for a Hip Hop producer and that's before they even begin to build a beat around the sample. Premo is as much, if not more of a producer as Puffy is.

 

[JustCKing]

I think breh has the mindframe that when the average producer, and we talking producers who already in the industry too; I think breh believes these producers have the ability to make the beat, but not sequence the shyt or tweak they own beat.

Breh thinks that these same producers don’t share the same ability as Bluff to bring something to completion. That without Bluff Daddy, everyone in the studio would be lost and wouldn’t know what to do. Yes they have all the talent to actually make the shyt, but it’s only those rare musical minds like Bluffy that can take it to new heights

No. You seem to think that making a beat is the end all be all to producing a song, and that somebody coming in and actually curating how that beat sounds with vocals on it is "finessing" artists out of credits. That's a really ignorant take on production and shows you have no idea what goes into producing a song before it hits your ears.

 

[ajnapoleon]

To be honest I still dont know exactly what Diddy does to the music in the studio


But what ever he does he does it well


He is connected to amazing music past and present

 

[JustCKing]

So what has Bluffy contributed?


nikkas stop being obtuse and acting like people have no knowledge of how production works lol. You keep saying that silly shyt.

We talking bout this dude Bluff Daddy specifically. This nikka is infamous for stealing credit. As others have mentioned, this was even a sentiment in the industry back in the day. So do mothafukas in the industry not no how production works either

I’m sure it’s a range of what he actually did on all these “produced songs” Some, I’m sure he probably came up with a concept or gave some actual musical direction to justify a credit. As well, I’m sure there are plenty of songs he’s gotten credit for where he didn’t do shyt but what he did in the Pharrell video or one of these other videos someone posted where he told someone to turn down the horn or some shyt Producers and artist alike have serious or jokingly mentioned Bluff finessing his way into credit. This ain’t no original thought lol. So all that, nikkas don’t know how production works is silly and preposterous

For starters, you created a thread about Puff finessing production credits when he isn't even credited as a producer on the song you posted in the OP. Then, you ramble on about him finessing credits and didn't even have the wherewithal to post the finished song. You posted studio footage. You accuse Puff of finessing credits, but haven't posted proof of what he allegedly stole.

Now I gave you an article on how production and publishing works because you obviously needed it.

You're talking about you're sure Puff did this, that, and the third, but where is your proof?

 

[ajnapoleon]

Slightly off topic but I miss the days when legends like Jay-Z , Nas, RZA, etc. could just be in an interview and break down the creative process of an album. I feel like most of the so called “Hip Hop” journalists of today would rather focus on gossip and other bullshyt, which is why you rarely get a true Hov or Nas interview.

You dont get interviews from these guys anymore because they not quite as active


Plus with this 24 hour news cycle and trolls


You never gonna get the interview without a meme or something


It's best to put out the music and let it ride on its own

 

[mobbinfms]

Also, speaking of Premo, or we crediting Premo for Kick in the Door or is that all actually Puffy's work

Premo might have made the beat but Puff has the vision to get a Premo beat for the album
Honestly, I don’t even know why DJ Premier got a credit for that song
It’s like I always say, Steve Rifkind produceD Shook Ones Pt 2 because he had that vision

 

[JustCKing]

Premo might have made the beat but Puff has the vision to get a Premo beat for the album
Honestly, I don’t even know why DJ Premier got a credit for that song
It’s like I always say, Steve Rifkind produceD Shook Ones Pt 2 because he had that vision

Stop playin'. Puff has no credits on that song because he contributed nothing to it. It was Premo's idea to sample "I Put A Spell On You". He found the sample and flipped it with is own drums, scratches, etc.

Biggie has a production credit for the "B.I.G Interlude" on LAD. You really think he made the beat? Who did he finesse out of credits?

Big hit credit because maybe it was his his idea of wanting to freestyle over Schooly D's "PSK".

 

[Double Burger With Cheese]

For starters, you created a thread about Puff finessing production credits when he isn't even credited as a producer on the song you posted in the OP. Then, you ramble on about him finessing credits and didn't even have the wherewithal to post the finished song. You posted studio footage. You accuse Puff of finessing credits, but haven't posted proof of what he allegedly stole.

Now I gave you an article on how production and publishing works because you obviously needed it.

You're talking about you're sure Puff did this, that, and the third, but where is your proof?

Breh, the opening post was an example And you keep harping on the fact he doesn’t have a production credit on that song, when I’ve already pointed out he has a writing credit, which is worse. Considering this is the man who had to outsource the lyrics to a Rest In Peace song to his friend, and is famous for not writing. The whole flow and everything was obviously Pharrell. What did Bluffy do, change a word or two

Aslo, are you a fan of hip hop? Do you not know this shyt has been said before by people in the industry? People he’s worked with? nikka are you signed to bad boy or something?


From Pete Rock on how Bluffy stole Juicy

The question over who actually produced “Juicy” started in a 2004 Wax Poeticsinterview with legendary producer Pete Rock. In addition to saying that Q-Tip took the beat for A Tribe Called Quest’s “"); background-size: 1px 1px; background-position: 0px calc(1em + 1px); background-repeat: repeat no-repeat;">Jazz” without giving him proper credit, Pete said that Puffy more or less stole the “Juicy” beat from him. “I did the original version, didn’t get credit for it,” he "); background-size: 1px 1px; background-position: 0px calc(1em + 1px); background-repeat: repeat no-repeat;">explained. “He heard that shyt and the next thing you know it comes out. They had me do a remix, but I tell people, and I will fight it to the end, that I did the original version of that.”

Despite Pete’s version of the backstory, the liner notes of Ready to Die list Poke of The Trackmasters and Puffy as the song’s producers instead of Pete Rock. Pete said he wasn’t angry about the slight, but it seemed at the time of the interview he felt burned by several instances of not receiving appropriate credit for his work. “I’m not mad at anybody,” he "); background-size: 1px 1px; background-position: 0px calc(1em + 1px); background-repeat: repeat no-repeat;">told Wax Poetics. “I just want the correct credit. fukk that. Y’all can’t just be robbing mu’fukkas. If you didn’t do the work, I’ma expose you.”


From a complex article with the Trackmasters:

In part one of our epic conversation, the duo talked about getting in the game, the last days of Cold Chillin’ Records, and the rise of Bad Boy Records. They had plenty of stories to share, including how Sean “Puff Daddy” Combs (as he was known back in those days) was the master of taking credit and a hilarious story about how Steve Stoutebecame their manager.

From that same article

Poke: “Obviously. I don’t know when the last time I heard the original. Back then, anything that came out under Bad Boy was Puffy’s record. So he does take credit. Sometimes not on purpose, but just because it came out on Bad Boy.”



Puff goes in, he puts the proper team together, a hit record comes out, and he takes the [credit]. He’s the pool shark, he’s the best at getting credit. He knows how to seize the opportunity to make sure the credit favors him. - Poke

 

[Suge Knight]

Only people in this generation think Puff is some great producer... And these battles, just playing songs?? How is that a battle?? Get these producers on some turntables and battle it out.. What's next rappers comparing verses on songs vs having a freestyle battle going bar for bar.. Now that's hip hop

 

[Barlow]

Dudes in here talking about a handful of “visionary” producers who can make hits when 99% of hits from the last 20+ years have been someone sending a beat to someone who sent their verse to someone else over email


And most of the people who have crossed into that realm are people who started a name from producing beats i.e Kanye, Neptunes, Dre, Pierre Bourne, metro boomin etc...

these visionary nikkas are just scammers like French Montana

 

[Cheese McNair]

Even from a beat maker stand point, if I make a beat and someone comes in and says “turn this down, turn this up, add some bass here, put this Bell here instead of there” then they deserve production credits. They have effectively changed the original beat I made even if they didn’t press a button