Some People Call This Producing, I Call It Finessing

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I was born in 1980. I’m not talking about R&B. The sentiment was what I said in my post. Now if the sentiment was wrong or ignorant, that’s one thing, but that was the sentiment at the time. You can’t tell me it wasn’t. I lived through it.

The sentiment by who? Rza?

The entire music industry knew puff’s production style and sampling was getting mainstream appeal success and they hated. There was not discussion in the 90s that puff wasn’t a producer it was that they didn’t like his style of sampling.

puff was producer of the year in 97
 

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Crazy to see history being revised right before my eyes. It was common knowledge in the 90d amongst heads that Puff was a credit stealing fraud. Now on this board of supposed hip hop heads he’s a creative genius :russ:

How is history being rewritten? Puff wasn't stealing credits. Puff got his credits because he helped create the songs. Who said he was a creative genius?
 

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The sentiment by who? Rza?

The entire music industry knew puff’s production style and sampling was getting mainstream appeal success and they hated. There was not discussion in the 90s that puff wasn’t a producer it was that they didn’t like his style of sampling.

puff was producer of the year in 97
I guess you weren’t around back then to know :yeshrug:
 

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How is history being rewritten? Puff wasn't stealing credits. Puff got his credits because he helped create the songs. Who said he was a creative genius?
Are you saying there wasn’t a discussion in the 90s as to what exactly Puff was and wasn’t doing on the records he got credit for? And there wasn’t a sentiment that he wasn’t actually making the beats, but instead getting producer credits for adding bells and whistles?
 

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Are you saying there wasn’t a discussion in the 90s as to what exactly Puff was and wasn’t doing on the records he got credit for? And there wasn’t a sentiment that he wasn’t actually making the beats, but instead getting producer credits for adding bells and whistles?

Of course there were discussions, but saying Puffy was stealing credits is a reach. He had co-producer credits on those songs. He was rarely if ever out here crediting himself as a lone producer.

They were out here looking popular hits, so when people heard the originals, they wanted to know what exactly was added.
 

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Of course there were discussions, but saying Puffy was stealing credits is a reach. He had co-producer credits on those songs. He was rarely if ever out here crediting himself as a lone producer.

They were out here looking popular hits, so when people heard the originals, they wanted to know what exactly was added.
Them looping very well known hits was another discussion.
 

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Of course there were discussions, but saying Puffy was stealing credits is a reach. He had co-producer credits on those songs. He was rarely if ever out here crediting himself as a lone producer.

They were out here looking popular hits, so when people heard the originals, they wanted to know what exactly was added.

That’s cause he don’t bang no pads, play no instruments, or physically does anything related making music. So that would be impossible. Even finessing has its limits
 

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That’s cause he don’t bang no pads, play no instruments, or physically does anything related making music. So that would be impossible. Even finessing has its limits

Breh, you keep showing you have no idea what you're talking about. Producing is a process that starts before you even touch an instrument. A song starts as an idea. A producer develops that idea into a song. Plenty of people have played on songs and got no production credits. Prominent artists within the industry have " all instruments by (insert name)" while another artist is credited with production.
 

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Are you saying there wasn’t a discussion in the 90s as to what exactly Puff was and wasn’t doing on the records he got credit for? And there wasn’t a sentiment that he wasn’t actually making the beats, but instead getting producer credits for adding bells and whistles?

The main false allegation is the last sentence which makes puff’s role in production records looks like minimal or no input. Like he just walks in and takes credit when it’s all said and done, that’s not what happens at all. It’s slander and character assassination and absolutely delusional to believe that, that’s why it’s such a joke that I burst out laughing when I read it. People like you just don’t know.

Puff was in the studio night and day for days, weeks, months and years crafting the production sound of badboy. He was involved in making records from concept to being a perfectionist to how it was mixed mastered and engineered. That took blood sweat and tears not a cheque but his own effort and commitment to create a legacy and classic records. Puff Daddy is a legendary producer, point, blank, period, game, set, match.

There are tracks where he doesn’t get producer credit because he was fair, honest and transparent with his team. If he didn’t do anything for a record then you will note it was produced solely by Nashiem Myric or D-dot, then there are other tracks that Puff played a role in and got co-producer credit. Then there are tracks that are Produced by Sean Puffy Combs as the main producer and co produced by others. Those tracks were solely birthed from sample, concept or vision by Puff and would of never sounded or seen the light of day if it wasn’t for him. The hitmen will tell you that. The artists he worked with in the studio will tell you that. But one person that won’t tell you that is Puff because he has nothing to prove to you. You can’t change his legacy by hating. The mad producer and mad rapper skits were made for people like you and puff faced them in flocks.

Now when this battle happens I hope there will be a Puff Daddy production documentary with all the hitmen so it can show the new generation or people born after 1990 that’s Puff’s roots aren’t in Ciroc, or Sean John or even before badboy started his roots are in producing hit records and it’s what he does best.
 

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Them looping very well known hits was another discussion.

It was the same discussion. There were no separate discussions. The reason for that is because if you listen to the original, it was obvious. There were running jokes about it.
 

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Breh, you keep showing you have no idea what you're talking about. Producing is a process that starts before you even touch an instrument. A song starts as an idea. A producer develops that idea into a song. Plenty of people have played on songs and got no production credits. Prominent artists within the industry have " all instruments by (insert name)" while another artist is credited with production.

So what has Bluffy contributed?


nikkas stop being obtuse and acting like people have no knowledge of how production works lol. You keep saying that silly shyt.

We talking bout this dude Bluff Daddy specifically. This nikka is infamous for stealing credit. As others have mentioned, this was even a sentiment in the industry back in the day. So do mothafukas in the industry not no how production works either:gucci:

I’m sure it’s a range of what he actually did on all these “produced songs” Some, I’m sure he probably came up with a concept or gave some actual musical direction to justify a credit. As well, I’m sure there are plenty of songs he’s gotten credit for where he didn’t do shyt but what he did in the Pharrell video or one of these other videos someone posted where he told someone to turn down the horn or some shyt :mjlol: Producers and artist alike have serious or jokingly mentioned Bluff finessing his way into credit. This ain’t no original thought lol. So all that, nikkas don’t know how production works is silly and preposterous
 

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Breh, you keep showing you have no idea what you're talking about. Producing is a process that starts before you even touch an instrument. A song starts as an idea. A producer develops that idea into a song. Plenty of people have played on songs and got no production credits. Prominent artists within the industry have " all instruments by (insert name)" while another artist is credited with production.

Again you're equating the process of how tradtional rock, pop and R&B is produced to the process of hip hop music.

This simply isn't the reality beyond a handful of artists like Kanye.

Most of your favorite hip hop songs started with rapper hearing a beat and writing to it. There was no fukking tuba players in the studio getting coached by a maestro. These songs are put together by a beat maker and a rapper. That is the reality, still to this day.

It's just weird that this process seems unqiue to Puffy. With all his success you'd think rappers would be bringing in their own version of Puff to sprinkle that magic on the beats they get from lowly beat makers. Man someone needs to tell Premo to get a Puffy to help him actually contruct his songs. I mean he just makes the beats. He's basically nothing more than a bass player on Thriller.

Also, speaking of Premo, or we crediting Premo for Kick in the Door or is that all actually Puffy's work? :jbhmm:

Help us out, breh. We don't understannd this music production the way you obviously do.
 

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The dudes discrediting puff are hopeful lol can’t change the history books

 

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I seriously hope you're getting paid for this Razz

You've been doing this for 20 years my man, going back to the SOHH days.

But why on earth you would be getting paid in 2020 to cheerlead for Diddy I have no idea.
 
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