Some think beautiful women have it really hard...

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Here's the link to the Reddit comment, for the curious:

vlotyg comments on Coffee cart charges men more to highlight gender pay gap

This really pissed me off, mostly because as far as prejudicial problems go, this is really, really tame compared to what other people have to face.

This was in response to a comment that stated, "I'd rather be a beautiful woman than an average looking man." A ****-storm ensued.

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Really? Are you fukking serious? Okay then.

You're tall, hot, blonde, great figure. Nice rack, too, since this is imaginary. You're a just-graduated university student, starting out at some firm so you can build your way to the top. You've been in this job a couple of weeks.

You like coffee. Trim flat white with one sugar please, as always, the same every day. You go to a new cafe this morning, because you parked on a different street. Guy behind the counter is at least twenty years older than you, he gives you a smile, he waves your fee.

It's awkward. You're making your own money now, you don't need **** bought for you. You know it's cause of your legs, your long hair. But how can you refuse? It's rude, is it not, to say no? So you smile politely and go to sit down, picking up the paper on the way.

The coffee is brought over, and he gives you another grin. It's creepy, and you're uncomfortable from the way he stares. His eyes look you up and down, all around, and there's a little chuckle. But you don't say anything - he gave you a free coffee, didn't you? It's a favour, isn't it?

You leave earlier than usual, too bothered by the way he looks at you. You go to work, settle in at your desk, and get out the proposal you've been working on for weeks. It's good. You know it's good. It's solid and well thought out and perfectly exhibits that you've paid attention throughout your degree and throughout your countless internships.

Once the senior partner meeting is over, you take a deep breath. You're ready to approach a man you haven't spoken to before, someone who's not involved in staff management at all.

You stride over and say hi. He looks you up and down, smiles kindly, and asks what you want. Asks if you're looking for Rita, the secretary. You frown, and realise he thinks you're an office junior and not aiming for his job. You say that you've got a proposal for him, and he peers at you carefully. He takes you into his office, and you know it's because of the way your hips move. But that's okay, a leg up now and then is good, right?

You demonstrate your proposal, aware that his eyes follow your waist and not your pages; aware that he's only half listening and altogether too focused on your lips. You finish, take a deep breath. He thinks for a bit.

'Nice work, sweetie,' he says. You freeze up. 'You can go now.' Like you're nothing more than a child. He's not talking to you at his level, he's talking down - the worst thing in the world to you.

You're so embarrassed. So embarrassed that you tried and you proved yourself and it's still not enough because no one can get past the healthy flush on your cheeks and the way your eyelashes meet them in a sweeping motion every time you blink. You fume all day, and cringe when watch him shake hands with another employee at the same level as you. Equals. From the moment you met him, you've been a girl - not a woman, you're too pretty for that - but a girl.

You leave at the end of the day feeling dejected, and go to the bar to meet a couple of male friends.

A glass of wine later and you feel a little better. Your friends are on form, making you laugh as usual. A few minutes later, you get a drink brought over, paid for by the man-sitting-at-the-end-of-the-bar. You sigh. It's kind of him, and it would be rude to reject, but you don't want to give the wrong idea. You shrug and drink it, smiling nicely but slightly awkwardly, hoping he doesn't think you're keen.

You start to leave around ten o'clock. You've got work tomorrow, after all. As you gather your things and head to the door the man who gave you a drink comes over. He's frowning slightly, and quite drunk. He asks if you enjoyed your drink, and you affirm. You start to leave, he's standing uncomfortably close.

He doesn't let you. He asks you where you're going. You explain that you want to go home. He growls. 'But the drink. I gave you a drink.' It dawns on you. He doesn't care that you're tired, all he cares about is that he gave you a drink. You're obliged, now, to be thankful. To give him what he wants. Because he gave you a drink. Like the coffee, it's entitlement.
It's the assumption that just because you're gorgeous you're available. As though your beauty makes you an object. As though, like the 'asking for it' rape rhetoric, your genetic makeup means you're allowed to be stared at. Drooled after. Used. Who cares that you have a brain under there? That you've worked hard? That you've written a novel, that you're a talented musician, that you're exceptional at netball, that you're a multidimensional creature with hopes and dreams that don't stop at the color of your hair and the light in your eyes?

You have to work twice as hard. You have to be twice as cold. You have to be ruthless and standoffish because the slightest nicety means you'll never be more than sweet little girl. You don't get to be kind to people, even though you're genuine at heart; because that's not seen as ambitious. Your personality isn't allowed to enhance your appearance, like normal people, because then you appearance is all that matters. All that anyone sees.

You walk home in silence, arms folded across your chest to keep away the cold. A truck drives past, some kind of construction, and a horn sounds. A man sticks his head out the window, makes a wanking symbol. You blush. You're not a whore. You keep walking, faster, until you get to your flat and collapse on the sofa.

'You're pretty,' they say. 'You must get everything. You never have to pay. Just bat your eyelashes and you get given all you want.' But that's not how you want to be seen. You want to be an equal, not someone so incapable that they can't purchase their own vodka. You want to be valued for your brain and not your figure; you want to be paid for your work and not your uterus. You don't want to be that pretty girl at the office, you want to be the most valued intellect at the company.

You're a pretty girl. But you're not public fukking property, and you're not worth less than men simply because they can't see past your fukking face.

You have no idea. No idea.


There it is, gentlemen. Beautiful blondes have it hardest because guys simp on them really, really hard. That and because of the phenom of women skating by on their looks whenever they can get away with it, the few that decide to actually put their intelligence to good use get screwed over by the preconceived notion that they'll follow suit. This is a situation that can be easily remedied with entrepreneurship and with persistence, but hey, it's just easier to complain, isn't it?

It's a hard life.
 

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The best feeling in the world is having your dikk in the mouth of a beautiful blonde woman.

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If you are an "uglier"/not very attractive guy/female, I could see why that whole passage would seem crazy to you, but it's real.

People don't generally care to know the thoughts, personalities, feelings, etc. of attractive people. I'd imagine it's even worse for women.

Attractive people are more likened to objects rather than an actual person strictly because of something that couldn't be helped. Perfection is expected.
 

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fukk those entitled bytches. They are literally playing on easy mode and have the nerve to complain.
 

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You stride over and say hi. He looks you up and down, smiles kindly, and asks what you want. Asks if you're looking for Rita, the secretary. You frown, and realise he thinks you're an office junior and not aiming for his job. You say that you've got a proposal for him, and he peers at you carefully. He takes you into his office, and you know it's because of the way your hips move. But that's okay, a leg up now and then is good, right?

As soon as I read Rita, I instantly thought of Rita Whora and expected someone to get slored down :shaq:

:sadcam: But I was wroooooong...
 

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If you are an "uglier"/not very attractive guy/female, I could see why that whole passage would seem crazy to you, but it's real.

People don't generally care to know the thoughts, personalities, feelings, etc. of attractive people. I'd imagine it's even worse for women.

Attractive people are more likened to objects rather than an actual person strictly because of something that couldn't be helped. Perfection is expected.

There was a post on there a while back asking an attractive person to comment on what their life was like...a woman claiming to be in her 40s who was a fly bytch back in the day responded and talked about how her life started falling apart when her looks faded, and when she was young she really did think she was smart and everyone was nice to her because she was a good person.

It took her getting older to see that life wasn't fair and people didn't care what she had to say and that she was actually dumb. People stopped volunteering to help her and started being rude and ignoring her :sadbron:

Was interesting. You never hear it much from the other side. The people who get married young and hook in a millionaire have to be few and far between cuz there ain't that many rich people out there. With plastic surgery these days you can easily find more attractive people than wealthy people on a 1:1 ratio.

On the other side though, ugly people got it worse:

1. Less likely to get good rates on bank loans meeting face to face
2. harder time getting jobs because people want to hire attractive people
3. harder time getting dates
4. spend entire lives thinking how ugly they are because our society is very image conscious
 

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There was a post on there a while back asking an attractive person to comment on what their life was like...a woman claiming to be in her 40s who was a fly bytch back in the day responded and talked about how her life started falling apart when her looks faded, and when she was young she really did think she was smart and everyone was nice to her because she was a good person.

It took her getting older to see that life wasn't fair and people didn't care what she had to say and that she was actually dumb. People stopped volunteering to help her and started being rude and ignoring her :sadbron:

Was interesting. You never hear it much from the other side. The people who get married young and hook in a millionaire have to be few and far between cuz there ain't that many rich people out there. With plastic surgery these days you can easily find more attractive people than wealthy people on a 1:1 ratio.

On the other side though, ugly people got it worse:

1. Less likely to get good rates on bank loans meeting face to face
2. harder time getting jobs because people want to hire attractive people
3. harder time getting dates
4. spend entire lives thinking how ugly they are because our society is very image conscious

I'm not trying to argue about who has it worse or whatever. In the same way you list problems that ugly people have, I can list problems that attractive people as well that are equally as bad, if not worse. You may not find it to be a problem that the woman you spoke of never gained any real intelligence, but a lot of people would.

The general point is that it's not all rosy, so that picture should stop being painted. We should also not act like it's not something that ugly people contribute to as well.
 

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I'm not trying to argue about who has it worse or whatever. In the same way you list problems that ugly people have, I can list problems that attractive people as well that are equally as bad, if not worse.

The general point is that it's not all rosy, so that picture should stop being painted.

I'm not arguing anything. Was just adding to the conversation.
 

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I'm not arguing anything. Was just adding to the conversation.

But you didn't know? Everything a pretty girl goes through isn't good. They can have bad days too which means they have it harder than less attractive girls... As someone in the comments said "Keep feeling sorry for yourself. Your "story" is akin to visiting a bunch of starving Africans and telling them "I always get indigestion after going to an all-you-can-eat buffet, my life is so hard!""

He also won't list anything because he's full of shyt and talking out of his ass. "I could make a list.." LOL no you can't. And you won't.
 

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There was a post on there a while back asking an attractive person to comment on what their life was like...a woman claiming to be in her 40s who was a fly bytch back in the day responded and talked about how her life started falling apart when her looks faded, and when she was young she really did think she was smart and everyone was nice to her because she was a good person.

It took her getting older to see that life wasn't fair and people didn't care what she had to say and that she was actually dumb. People stopped volunteering to help her and started being rude and ignoring her :sadbron:

Was interesting. You never hear it much from the other side. The people who get married young and hook in a millionaire have to be few and far between cuz there ain't that many rich people out there. With plastic surgery these days you can easily find more attractive people than wealthy people on a 1:1 ratio.

On the other side though, ugly people got it worse:

1. Less likely to get good rates on bank loans meeting face to face
2. harder time getting jobs because people want to hire attractive people
3. harder time getting dates
4. spend entire lives thinking how ugly they are because our society is very image conscious

Was it this one?

Thinks_Like_A_Man comments on I know its a weird question, but what is it like to be a hot girl?

I was a former super hot chick, and now older woman. I can tell you a few things of what it is like from the other side.


When I was 25, I too was into running and lifting weights and my body was spectacular and I had six-pack abs and a naturally large chest (36F). Everywhere I went, men of all ages stared at me. It was really annoying that most didn't even try to hide it. The ones that were the worst were the creepy middle aged men who would hit on me, thinking that they could somehow fool me into going out with them.


No matter how grounded you are, you get a skewed perspective of the world. I truly believed that men were genuinely nice to women as a matter of course. I believed that most people were nice and accommodating and liked people. This was because most of my friends were hot as well, and guys were falling all over themselves to help us, so this is all I knew. I simply didn't realize that some men are deeply hostile and only nice to women they want to fukk. I did not realize the weird code in society which equated beauty with importance. Such a thought never occurred to me that the world might be a different place than I had experienced.


I can tell you that men now are neither hostile or overly helpful. In fact, I feel pretty much invisible. And that, by itself, is okay. I can tell you I am equally ignored by females as well. It could be the age, or it could be a combination of old and not attractive. Who knows, except that I am no longer hawt.


There were a lot of privileges you don't realize as well, like making great money, getting preferential treatment, or being dealt with respectfully. It blew my mind to realize that everyone is not entitled to this as a matter of course, but it is reserved for those who are physically desirable.


I think the biggest shock to me was realizing that my entire worldview had been wrong FOR DECADES. That was the most shocking. That the shytty treatment other people whined about was indeed true, and that just because I didn't experience it firsthand did not mean it wasn't a reality. I would think to myself, "Well, if they would just project a more positive attitude, people would respond with positive attention." I was very naive about the depth of the beauty privilege until I experienced both sides. All those bullshyt things I believed simply weren't true. No matter how well put together I was, how well groomed, how charming and funny I tried to be, I could not overcome it.


It wasn't losing my attractiveness that was the biggest mindfukk, being ignored or even being treated badly. It was the idea that I really didn't understand how the world worked for so long. It was the idea that I believed you could overcome this enormous force around you everywhere you went -- all day, every day -- by simply being more cheerful and charming.


Mostly, I feel badly about all the people who complained about how poorly they were treated that I simply dismissed.

Her dumb ass took decades to figure out that guys only wanted to fukk. :russ: Judging from her other posts, she still really hates men for having treated her so well over the years.
 

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Yep that's the post I was thinking of...dumb bytch. I think this whore is the basic template for all the women who go on Basket Ball Wives and Love and Hip Hop.

They have no real talents or qualities. Just some dumb good looking bytches that would be worth nothing if they lost their looks tomorrow. They have nothing to offer but p*ssy but they don't realize it because they are delusional as fukk.
 

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But you didn't know? Everything a pretty girl goes through isn't good. They can have bad days too which means they have it harder than less attractive girls... As someone in the comments said "Keep feeling sorry for yourself. Your "story" is akin to visiting a bunch of starving Africans and telling them "I always get indigestion after going to an all-you-can-eat buffet, my life is so hard!""

He also won't list anything because he's full of shyt and talking out of his ass. "I could make a list.." LOL no you can't. And you won't.

The melodramatic nature of the complaint is what pisses me off the most. All smoke and mirrors. It's really insulting and you can tell it was written by a chick that's insecure over the fact that she has it easier than others in life, so she has to join the pity party by saying that she experiences real hardships because guys simp on her or the fact that she gets treated just about the same as any other young person who had worked two weeks at her job would have as someone in his or her early 20's.

Never mind that she's more likely to have a desirable job from being attractive, the money she can save by having guys simp on her. Nope. All of that makes her a victim.
 

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The melodramatic nature of the complaint is what pisses me off the most. All smoke and mirrors. It's really insulting and you can tell it was written by a chick that's insecure over the fact that she has it easier than others in life, so she has to join the pity party by saying that she experiences real hardships because guys simp on her or the fact that she gets treated just about the same as any other young person who had worked two weeks at her job would have as someone in his or her early 20's.

Never mind that she's more likely to have a desirable job from being attractive, the money she can save by having guys simp on her. Nope. All of that makes her a victim.

whats even more... if a dude did challenge her, she'd probably be the first to cry harassment or someone being harder on her cause she's a female, calling them a bully or something...
 
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