Some think beautiful women have it really hard...

[Ohene]

1. It will vary person to person. Not every one reacts the same way. Men will generally flock to a woman because of her looks. Women will usually look down on/be jealous of another woman for such.

2. Those are not all the same point.

3. Again, not the same point. Like, you expect a pretty woman to have a nice personality. But in another instance, you may expect her to be obligated to you if you do a favor for her or if you are nice to her. The second instance has nothing to do with personality, but more so compensation for what you did.

4. The second sentence can definitely be proven. And for women, yes, attractive women are seen more so as objects. There are studies that prove it.



Do y'all even be talking about? This post ain't nothin' but ramble.

She is bent that she only gets things because she looks great.

I am doubting she looks THAT amazing without putting any effort into her looks. That could be false but...

Assuming that she is just an average chick without makeup/accessories. If she wants to level the playing field and use merit to get ahead in life, an easy solution is to just dumb down her looks or to put zero effort into them.

Its not that difficult to understand
This would be a good reality show

 

[RickyGQ]

1. It will vary person to person. Not every one reacts the same way. Men will generally flock to a woman because of her looks. Women will usually look down on/be jealous of another woman for such.

2. Those are not all the same point.

3. Again, not the same point. Like, you expect a pretty woman to have a nice personality. But in another instance, you may expect her to be obligated to you if you do a favor for her or if you are nice to her. The second instance has nothing to do with personality, but more so compensation for what you did.

4. The second sentence can definitely be proven. And for women, yes, attractive women are seen more so as objects. There are studies that prove it.



Do y'all even be talking about? This post ain't nothin' but ramble.

1. I disagree but fair enough...
2. The last two are both examples of people hiding reality from them
3. Just cause you call it an obligation in the second point doesn't mean its not a "social expectation"

 

[malbaker86]

good azz thread

 

[RickyGQ]

She is bent that she only gets things because she looks great.

I am doubting she looks THAT amazing without putting any effort into her looks. That could be false but...

Assuming that she is just an average chick without makeup/accessories. If she wants to level the playing field and use her merit to get ahead in life, an easy solution is to just dumb down her looks or to put zero effort into them.

Its not that difficult to understand

It's akin to a chick wearing tighter clothes or showing cleavage and being upset when dudes look...

 

[Ohnoits]

The melodramatic nature of the complaint is what pisses me off the most. All smoke and mirrors. It's really insulting and you can tell it was written by a chick that's insecure over the fact that she has it easier than others in life, so she has to join the pity party by saying that she experiences real hardships because guys simp on her or the fact that she gets treated just about the same as any other young person who had worked two weeks at her job would have as someone in his or her early 20's.

Never mind that she's more likely to have a desirable job from being attractive, the money she can save by having guys simp on her. Nope. All of that makes her a victim.

I think I said this before, but no matter how many of the big companies I've worked for, I've never worked with an ugly girl in the office. All the women were good looking, unless they were older in management and got all the new talent coming in was young, thin, blonde and hot.

Occassionally there are Asians and Indians, but they have to pass the dime test too.

I've never worked with ugly females at work, even as the secretaries who also look good.

This person complaining when they probably got the job in the first place for looking good, knowing they will eventually suck that manager's cock and become wife #3 or mistress #5 and drive the porsche

 

[Ain't That Something]

Saw your post when I logged out Sierra (def not taking you off ignore, but...)

The Halo effect in correlation with all the other stuff in here you all have dapped up and agreed with is exactly why you are wrong.

If we all generally acknowledge that attractive people don't have to truly develop skills, personalities, knowledge, etc. because of their looks how do they fare any better in a situation where people expect all of that from them ("Halo Effect")? That's why you all don't make any sense. You're being contradictory.

Fact of the matter is, there are upsides and downsides to both sides of life. That's the way life works in general. Nothing is perfect for anyone.


I'm not going to argue with you over opinion. I can find facts to back up what I type. Can you? Or are you just going on what you feel?

Google is a click away too breh

 

[DaChampIsHere]

She is bent that she only gets things because she looks great.

I am doubting she looks THAT amazing without putting any effort into her looks. That could be false but...

Assuming that she is just an average chick without makeup/accessories. If she wants to level the playing field and use merit to get ahead in life, an easy solution is to just dumb down her looks or to put zero effort into them.

Its not that difficult to understand
This would be a good reality show

What kind of person doesn't get dressed up and look their best for an interview though? This is when you all start to make no sense.

You're telling me you go to an interview wearing a very regular suit, without a hair cut and everything untrimmed? And you wanna be a banker? :word:

1. I disagree but fair enough...
2. The last two are both examples of people hiding reality from them
3. Just cause you call it an obligation in the second point doesn't mean its not a "social expectation"

2. People not telling someone the truth about how they feel : People not focusing on someone developing correct social skills/intelligence/etc. : People saying "She/He only has that because of the way they look" are not all the same thing.

3. You can be a "gentleman" and hold the door open for an ugly woman. You more than likely will expect nothing in return but a thanks. Do the same thing for a woman you find attractive, you're gonna expect more than a "Thank you" when you try to move forward from there. And if she doesn't want to, you're gonna come up with all these little ideas in your head about how girls don't like gentlemen, being "nice" is useless, etc. That's different from expecting her to be a nice person.

Google is a click away too breh

Exactly. So are you going to post facts that disprove what I typed, or are you just gonna keep posting smilies and vague messages?

 

[Ohene]

It's akin to a chick wearing tighter clothes or showing cleavage and being upset when dudes look...

Maybe the tighter clothing is more comfortable
Maybe everything about the shirt is pleasant and it just so happens to show cleavage.


Just playing devils advocate


But if the tighter clothing is comfy and the looks make you uncomfortable...doesnt that mean that ultimately the clothes makes you feel uncomfortable.


If the shirt is pleasant but the looks you get are unpleasant to you...isn't the shirt unpleasant

We could go on for hours. It bet it is not great dealing with the stereotypes as an attractive blonde women.

But overall, there are far more things to complain about :

 

[Ohene]

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What kind of person doesn't get dressed up and look their best for an interview though? This is when you all start to make no sense.

You're telling me you go to an interview wearing a very regular suit, without a hair cut and everything untrimmed? And you wanna be a banker? :word:

Exactly, of course I'd wanna look my best. But if I got the job, and then bytches in the office and HR started looking at me funny would I go and say, "I was only hired me because I'm handsome.... It's so hard being an attractive man. "? You claim to be extremely attractive...is that what you would do? I ain't saying the girl has no issues to deal with in her everyday life. I am only saying that if it is that serious, do something about it and start looking less attractive. But she wont because...

IT ISN'T THAT SERIOUS

Which is why it seems like attention whoring or like a humblebrag whatever that is. Men and women are diff though. A better example would be as a black man...would I be angry if I got a position at a bank as a diversity hire and for no other reason. Something like this is why I would understand the girl's sentiment.

If I got a job just to fill a quota, and then all my colleagues figured I was an idiot because I'm black, or that I don't belong there I would certainly be slighted.

At least it'd be something to boost my resume though

 

[DaChampIsHere]

do something about it and start looking less attractive.

Again, this doesn't even make sense and just shows the general contempt that dudes on here have for pretty women when matters don't involve sex.

I think everyone should be well rounded, but if you have been attractive all your life and people have treated you as such, you're not gonna magically become "less attractive" and somehow gain intelligence over the course of a couple of days. That transition will be very hard and long.

I don't think anyone is whining about being hired because they are attractive. That's something you have made up. Do people come to realizations? Yes.

 

[Zapp Brannigan]

So, you don't think it's a problem that society (ugly and attractive) perpetually breeds people who are, essentially, non-self sufficient and otherwise "aloof"? You don't think that some could truly have a problem with the fact that they grew up thinking one thing about themselves, only to have it be something completely different when they get to a certain stage in life?




- Heightened expectations (socially, academically, sexually, financially, etc.).
- Being seen as more of an object rather than a person
- People hiding reality from you
- If the HR person is someone of the same sex, you are less likely to be hired.
- Being too "attractive" and being outcasted/rejected by peers.
- You have an "obligation" to be nice to people, otherwise you are a "stuck up bytch" or an "arrogant a$$hole", when if you were ugly, it wouldn't be a problem and they wouldn't even care to speak to you
- Having your success attributed to your looks and not your merit
- Growing up, those around you focus less on developing you as an actual person
- People only like you and want to be associated with you for shallow reasons

You all have never heard of the "Halo Effect"? That's why it seems like you're more so speaking out your ass because of jealousy/resentment, rather than wanting any true knowledge on what you're talking about.

It's not society's problem that some chick took DECADES to figure out that people were nice to her in order to get to be able to date or have sex with her. That's bordering on if not completely blatant willful ignorance on her part. I have no sympathy for someone who is so powerfully deluded that she can't see the forest for the trees - in this case, a woman who thought that the world was beautiful and kind despite her uglier friends insisting that it was only because she was hot.

People who are more attractive have lower expectations as is evidenced by the post from Reddit. Besides, when the higher expectations do come, they can probably come as a helpful aid. If you treat someone like a professional adult, they're more likely to psychologically bend themselves that way to fall in line.

There's a thing called "tact" when you're interacting with people. Being nice to people doesn't mean that you have to fukk them or even that you have to flirt back. I personally think that EVERYONE should be nice to each other, so I don't know why this should even be that powerful of an argument at all.

There are going to be people that "reject" the beautiful people, but for every one that rejects said person, there will be 4 that accept said person. Moving on...

Success being accredited to work or looks is dependent on the person. If said person knows that they worked hard for what they've achieved, then who cares what anyone else thinks? It's hard to suppress the truth and with persistence, the credit will be given where credit is due.

What does it mean to develop as an actual person?

How do you know that people only want to associate with an attractive person for shallow reasons? If I cut a sharp figure in a suit, people instinctively look at me as a vivacious, young, go-getter that has potential an energy to work at whatever firm I apply to. What if it's a woman with analogous features? Let's say her looks get her in the door. What if thereafter she pleasantly surprises everyone and turns out to be a major asset to the company? Would the ends not justify the means in that case?

 

[R.E.N. Spells Ren]

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If I got a job just to fill a quota, and then all my colleagues figured I was an idiot because I'm black, or that I don't belong there I would certainly be slighted.

At least it'd be something to boost my resume though

Exactly.

We'll check dudes who think we're an affirmative action hire, or laugh at their anger. But it's hardly a burden.

 

[DaChampIsHere]

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No facts, just deluded opinion in this post. :word:

 

[Ohene]

Again, this doesn't even make sense and just shows the general contempt that dudes on here have for pretty women when matters don't involve sex.

I think everyone should be well rounded, but if you have been attractive all your life and people have treated you as such, you're not gonna magically become "less attractive" and somehow gain intelligence over the course of a couple of days. That transition will be very hard and long.

I don't think anyone is whining about being hired because they are attractive. That's something you have made up. Do people come to realizations? Yes.

Here I am saying I feel where the chick is coming from. But I have contempt. Youre arguing for the fukk of it. As always.

1. People find me very attractive. But a large part of that is because I stay well groomed. If I wanna look bummy i easily can. Keep my hair unbrushed. keep my skin dry, keep my facial hair ungroomed and overall just change my aura. For a girl theres a ton more they can do. Maybe this girl is a dime as soon as she wakes up...but I've seen the difference between that fresh outta bed face and "done up" face plenty times. Enough to assume the average woman and the majority of women are not that radiant and attractive without putting any effort into it. Not enough to warrant executives ignoring your speech.

shyt this is gabrielle union without makeup. I picked her because I actually thought she would still be a knockout but i was wrong.
http://i.imgur.com/twqnw.jpg

^Average at best. shyt I wouldnt even holla at her looking like that if I met her at a function.

2. She is already intelligent from school and prior work experience. Or at least she thinks she is. If her beauty is preventing her intelligence from getting shine then revert to number one and do less to look so attractive. Then your intelligence will be put to the forefront.

I mean really, whats so difficult to understand?

 

[Ohene]

Exactly.

We'll check dudes who think we're an affirmative action hire, or laugh at their anger. But it's hardly a burden.

Exactly. Worst case scenario...RBC Capital Markets hires me and then doesnt utilize me to my capabilities. I use the fukking experience...and then hit up BMO Capital Markets or Merrill Lynch among many others. shyt at that point I could go into Corporate Finance, at a Fortune 500, Investment Management etc etc. and join a firm that respects me. At least I'd be better off, making 70K a year outta school, getting big bonuses than the white dude who is merely working in Customer Service trying to work his way up.

And at least the sexy girl isnt ugly.