Some think beautiful women have it really hard...

[RickyGQ]

2. People not telling someone the truth about how they feel : People not focusing on someone developing correct social skills/intelligence/etc. : People saying "She/He only has that because of the way they look" are not all the same thing.

3. You can be a "gentleman" and hold the door open for an ugly woman. You more than likely will expect nothing in return but a thanks. Do the same thing for a woman you find attractive, you're gonna expect more than a "Thank you" when you try to move forward from there. And if she doesn't want to, you're gonna come up with all these little ideas in your head about how girls don't like gentlemen, being "nice" is useless, etc. That's different from expecting her to be a nice person.

Dude, just stop... you tried to make 5 solid points into 9 to make it seem like shyts worse...

2. every example you listed is an example of people hiding reality... i.e. placing you in your own little world despite the truth (making you seem better than you really are in your point about social skill/intelligence or to make you seem worse than you are, in your point about attributing looks to your success)

3. theyre still both social expectations, you just decided to give a specific expectation in your second point..

 

[DaChampIsHere]

Here I am saying I feel where the chick is coming from. But I have contempt. Youre arguing for the fukk of it. As always.

1. People find me very attractive. But a large part of that is because I stay well groomed. If I wanna look bummy i easily can. Keep my hair unbrushed. keep my skin dry, keep my facial hair ungroomed and overall just change my aura. For a girl theres a ton more they can do. Maybe this girl is a dime as soon as she wakes up...but I've seen the difference between that fresh outta bed face and "done up" face plenty times. Enough to assume the average woman and the majority of women are not that radiant and attractive without putting any effort into it. Not enough to warrant executives ignoring your speech.

shyt this is gabrielle union without makeup and I actually thought she would still be a knockout but i was wrong.
http://i.imgur.com/twqnw.jpg

^Average at best

2. She is already intelligent from school and prior work experience. Or at least she thinks she is. If her beauty is preventing her intelligence from getting shine then revert to number one and do less to look so attractive. Then your intelligence will be put to the forefront.

I mean really, whats so difficult to understand?

I say you have contempt, because how does someone just become "less attractive"? What part of that statement makes any sense. That's like me telling you or anyone to just become more attractive if you want the job. Stupid right? In fact, if I did say that to someone, you'd be calling me a deluded a$$hole up and down. Foh.

1. What are you talking about and what does that have to do with anything? People try to look their best. Are you surprised or shocked?

2. Again. If someone has been treated a certain way their whole life and has lived based off that, why do you assume it's so easy to up and change? You don't make any sense. For the 3rd time, how do you make up intelligence/knowledge/personality/etc. that you never had or developed growing up?

Dude, just stop... you tried to make 5 solid points into 9 to make it seem like shyts worse...

2. every example you listed is an example of people hiding reality... i.e. placing you in your own little world despite the truth (making you seem better than you really are in your point about social skill/intelligence or to make you seem worse than you are, in your point about attributing looks to your success)

3. theyre still both social expectations, you just decided to give a specific expectation in your second point..

2. No they are. They all come from the same place but they aren't the same. They are different manifestations of a common trait.

3. A woman is not socially expected to give into your intimate advances just because you opened a door for her. The fact that you even typed that shows that we should be having this discussion. That's not a social expectation.

 

[RickyGQ]

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Exactly, of course I'd wanna look my best. But if I got the job, and then bytches in the office and HR started looking at me funny would I go and say, "I was only hired me because I'm handsome.... It's so hard being an attractive man. "? You claim to be extremely attractive...is that what you would do? I ain't saying the girl has no issues to deal with in her everyday life. I am only saying that if it is that serious, do something about it and start looking less attractive. But she wont because...

IT ISN'T THAT SERIOUS

Which is why it seems like attention whoring or like a humblebrag whatever that is. Men and women are diff though. A better example would be as a black man...would I be angry if I got a position at a bank as a diversity hire and for no other reason. Something like this is why I would understand the girl's sentiment.

If I got a job just to fill a quota, and then all my colleagues figured I was an idiot because I'm black, or that I don't belong there I would certainly be slighted.

At least it'd be something to boost my resume though

like another poster said... i'd rather have the opportunity to at least prove myself than no opportunity at all

 

[LucaBrasi]

Pretty Women got it the easiest let's keep it real folks

That article and those complains were on some childish type of steez like "Uuuuh mama The boys at school call me big booty judy"

 

[DaChampIsHere]

You know what, not even gonna keep arguing it. Honestly, maybe you all should just become more attractive and then your problems will be solved. Look better and stop complaining and blaming things on everyone else. :word: In fact, may be if you all looked better, the world would be a better place and you wouldn't have any more problems. Why you uglies gotta make life so hard for everyone else? :word:

That article and those complains were on some childish type of steez like "Uuuuh mama The boys at school call me big booty judy"

Yeah, and I'm pretty sure the psychological effects of your child being called "big booty judy" at school everyday would be great. I'm sure all parents are looking forward to those blissful moments for their child to be sexually harassed and degraded for their looks. :word:

 

[RickyGQ]

3. A woman is not socially expected to give into your intimate advances just because you opened a door for her. The fact that you even typed that shows that we should be having this discussion. That's not a social expectation.

- Heightened expectations (socially, academically, sexually, financially, etc.).
- You have an "obligation" to be nice to people, otherwise you are a "stuck up bytch" or an "arrogant a$$hole", when if you were ugly, it wouldn't be a problem and they wouldn't even care to speak to you

How is "the obligation to be nice to people otherwise your a a stuck up bytch" NOT a heightened social expectation? I never said it SHOULD be one, i was only commenting on your point... you're giving examples of your points and passing them off as more points... but i'm done arguing...

 

[Kilgore Trout]

We live in a superficial world. she needs to realize that if she wasn't hot a lot people who she thinks are her friends wouldn't fukk with her and she probably wouldn't have had many advantages she got in life. Brains and hard work aren't everything.

 

[R.E.N. Spells Ren]

You know what, not even gonna keep arguing it. Honestly, maybe you all should just become more attractive and then your problems will be solved. Look better and stop complaining and blaming things on everyone else. :word: In fact, may be if you all looked better, the world would be a better place and you wouldn't have any more problems. Why you uglies gotta make life so hard for everyone else? :word:

Your clown ass still doesn't get it....we don't have any problem here. We're calling her out for claiming she does. (In the "net" sense...there's obviously pros and cons to any predicament)

 

[PartyHeart]

Its a very valid point of view, but you'd be hard pressed to get anyone, especially those who are unattractive and have felt the burn of being that, to believe their complaints are valid. They say they'd rather be treated as an object (have people not give them any opportunity to enjoy them for any non-superficial reason) than not be considered attractive at all. That's because they really have no idea how hurtful and isolating that can actually be for a person. Grass is greener basically.

 

[DaChampIsHere]

*Responds to post after person has already said they wouldn't argue about it anymore*

Maybe if you were an attractive female, I would though. :word:

Its a very valid point of view, but you'd be hard pressed to get anyone, especially those who are unattractive and have felt the burn of being that, to believe their complaints are valid. They say they'd rather be treated as an object (have people not give them any opportunity to enjoy them for any non-superficial reason) than not be considered attractive at all. That's because they really have no idea how hurtful and isolating that can actually be for a person. Grass is greener basically.

Pretty much. I find it hilarious that other people are trying to someone else's feelings aren't valid, especially when they aren't in their shoes.

 

[Ain't That Something]

Ya'll think ya would learn by now to stop arguing with champ. State ya points and get out or he will smilie you to death, present opinion as fact then accused you of doing the same then continue to smilie ya ass to death

 

[Zapp Brannigan]

Ya'll think ya would learn by now to stop arguing with champ. State ya points and get out or he will smilie you to death, present opinion as fact then accused you of doing the smae then continue to smilie ya ass to death

To be fair, I think this is the first time that I've argued with him. Now I get why it's a pointless errand...

 

[DaChampIsHere]

To be fair, I think this is the first time that I've argued with him. Now I get why it's a pointless errand...

Ya'll think ya would learn by now to stop arguing with champ. State ya points and get out or he will smilie you to death, present opinion as fact then accused you of doing the smae then continue to smilie ya ass to death

I actually find it hilarious cause a thread from now y'all will be telling me that I don't understand things if I haven't went through them, or that I shouldn't judge people, etc., but that's what you're doing here.

That's why I don't care when y'all complain that I'm an a$$hole, out of touch, "trumping" people. Y'all do the same shyt I do, only to people you'd never speak such to IRL cause y'all are some pussies. :word:

 

[Sierra Mist]

Its a very valid point of view, but you'd be hard pressed to get anyone, especially those who are unattractive and have felt the burn of being that, to believe their complaints are valid. They say they'd rather be treated as an object (have people not give them any opportunity to enjoy them for any non-superficial reason) than not be considered attractive at all. That's because they really have no idea how hurtful and isolating that can actually be for a person. Grass is greener basically.

how do people know that the ones saying this bytch is full of shyt aren't attractive themselves? Talk about a dismissive ad hom.

It is way better to be given a free pass and have the reign to accomplish more than to not be given any type of pass at all and have to fend for yourself.

Would you rather have doors be opened for you or have to find the keys on your own? If you don't like the objectification (BOO fukkIN HOO!) that comes with it then don't walk through the door. Those complaints are just like the women complaining about their boyfriends selling drugs yet they still spend their boyfriends' drug money money on Gucci bags. If you take the drug money then you can't complain.

If you take what is given to you due to being attractive then you have no right to complain about the "negatives" that come from it. "thank you for opening the door for me. I wouldn't be shyt without it.... but how dare you look at me!"

Sorry but that argument falls completely flat. Say you get objectified all you want but if you are ACCEPTING the free passes that are given to you then you need a hot glass of shut the fukk up.

 

[Ain't That Something]