Someone explain to me Jayz dissing Drake for not signing to Tidal?

[Ayo]

Drake wanted a small slice from a big pie instead a big slice from a small pie

A slice from Apple's pie seems more appealing

He didn’t get a piece of Apple’s pie though. No ownership. Just straight cash. From a company that music is still a hobby and only represents less than 2% of their market cap.

Apple spends more money than they gave Drake on coffee for the office for a year.

 

[hex]

I’m talking about what Jay said on Boss. That was directed at Drake for not signing with Tidal

That's completely irrelevant because they were throwing shots at each other for years prior to TIDAL.

The beef obviously didn't start over TIDAL....singling out this one component when there's obviously been friction for years makes no sense. It's like starting a thread asking "why did Jay and Drake start beefing over art?"....that's clearly not the root of the issue.

Fred.

 

[CrimsonTider]

TIDAL

Why are we all playing like we didn’t know this already? Jay-Z needed big ass minority owner’s names attached to the TIDAL deal. Drake was supposed to be on that stage but backed out last second.

Drake literally decided to be a worker and not a boss. That’s where the subs and this beef comes from.

We know this.

Argue the merits. Argue which was the better deal. But don’t pretend you don’t get what’s going on.

Was Drake suppose to be on the same stage as all those other artist pretending to own the same piece when he is leaps and bound more valuable and important?

Has any artist made 20 million dollars from Tidal “ownership”

 

[CrimsonTider]

That's completely irrelevant because they were throwing shots at each other for years prior to TIDAL.

The beef obviously didn't start over TIDAL....singling out this one component when there's obviously been friction for years makes no sense. It's like starting a thread asking "why did Jay and Drake start beefing over art?"....that's clearly not the root of the issue.

Fred.

The root of the issue is jealousy but I’m focused on Jay feeling that dissing someone for not signing with Tidal is valid

 

[hex]

Was Drake suppose to be on the same stage as all those other artist pretending to own the same piece when he is leaps and bound more valuable and important?

Has any artist made 20 million dollars from Tidal “ownership”

He wouldn't have been the biggest artist on that stage, by a long shot. Your stan tendencies are starting to show.

The root of the issue is jealousy but I’m focused on Jay feeling that dissing someone for not signing with Tidal is valid

Why would Jay be jealous of Drake? He has a longer career, more money, and more #1 albums.

Drake has rapped about wanting to be Jay, not the other way around.

And that's not the point....the beef didn't start with TIDAL. The sole reason you're trying to argue the TIDAL angle is to make it seem like Jay is bitter, despite the fact that they were trading shots for years before TIDAL existed.

These threads never pan out because you cats inevitably start throwing logic out the window and fall back to dikk riding Drake. Which, lets be honest, was the whole point of the thread to begin with.

Fred.

 

[50CentStan]

Jay is just a grumpy old man who doesn't want anyone to succeed ahead of him. drake is the same just not old.

 

[Ayo]

Was Drake suppose to be on the same stage as all those other artist pretending to own the same piece when he is leaps and bound more valuable and important?

Has any artist made 20 million dollars from Tidal “ownership”

So he’s not a boss and all Jay’s criticism is warranted.

Got it.

If everyone had you and Drake’s mentality there would be no startups or any new businesses of any type. Why take the leap of faith and become an owner when you can take a 6 figure engineer salary at a safe company?

I get it though. When you’re getting raped 6 ways to Sunday on a 360 deal split amongst 5 separate entities...and you got a lifestyle of tricking to maintain....then ya...take the cash and run.

 

[CrimsonTider]

He wouldn't have been the biggest artist on that stage, by a long shot. Your stan tendencies are starting to show.



Why would Jay be jealous of Drake? He has a longer career, more money, and more #1 albums.

Drake has rapped about wanting to be Jay, not the other way around.

And that's not the point....the beef didn't start with TIDAL. The sole reason you're trying to argue the TIDAL angle is to make it seem like Jay is bitter, despite the fact that they were trading shots for years before TIDAL existed.

These threads never pan out because you cats inevitably start throwing logic out the window and fall back to dikk riding Drake. Which, lets be honest, was the whole point of the thread to begin with.

Fred.

Who is a bigger artist in the streaming era than Drake?

 

[Kinguno]

It goes way back as far as maybe Blueprint 3 on the A star is Born track. Jigga always throws subs at the newest big rapper like the line "Watch how quickly I drop 50" was about Curtis then Kanye later said Watch The Throne was a way to push Drake back (very similar to the 2008 Celtics pushing Bron back) Jay-Z is jealous and it doesn't help that he has close relationships with some of Drake's "contemporaries" literally signing J Cole, Big Sean who is signed to Kanye, and Meek Mill (who he was managing through Roc nation (Meek got the reference tracks from DJ Drama who was vexed his ex wife was fukking and dating Drake) so there was and always be friction even through they worked together nother sports reference Imagine the 2009 draft Blake Griffin went first and Harden went third but Curry came through and has won three titles in nine years. Another underrated thing alot of these artists biggest singles were tracks were with Drake. Thing as it stands now basically ruined music from the perspective that a lot of these people don't make music together anymore. I love collabs. Drake was in position for major major deals one I think goes with this thread in particular was Beats by Dre I think Drake had stock if you remember when they got sold to Apple Lebron made 30 million so I really think after the sale they used Drake as a flagship artist for what came later Apple Music let's not forget Jay-Z did something similar with Sprint for MCHG which was multiplat before release then there was that weird period of when Drake would do a song Jay would remix it the song We Made It is a example. Kanye tried to bridge the gap on that Pop Style song and later once again came out about the whole Tidal vs Apple thing. Some people never go with what Jay does because he's always in and out to the next thing. For example in 2004 Jay invested 1 million into the then New Jersey Nets in 2009 the Russian Prokhorov brought control of the team and funded a new arena in Brooklyn for 700 million Jay had a percent of the new arena, while owing the 40/40 club and rocawear store in the arena as well he opened the arena with a tour then in 2013 the team worth doubled and Jay starting Roc Sports with CAA sold his stock in the Nets and Barclays to Jason Kidd before the TV deals caused NBA money to sky rocket in Jay only owned one-fifteenth of 1% of the team.

Basically everyone is sensitive because they are passionate but when you look at the pieces over time things that ten years ago wouldn't be possible are possible today making it so there are literal 100 million dollar deals every six months means theres always a constant battle for resources and you can't love your competition. On one hand you can say Jay too old for this musicwise but you can't when Drake is younger with more of these popping up. Kayne to Adidas after Nike didn't give him a percentage really kicked this off. I also believe with how the deals were written Cash Money never got money from it of Drake would be out like Wayne asking for money he's all but distanced himself from Cash Money. All of this from words they uttered.

 

[New Username]

He didn’t get a piece of Apple’s pie though. No ownership. Just straight cash. From a company that music is still a hobby and only represents less than 2% of their market cap.

Apple spends more money than they gave Drake on coffee for the office for a year.

Its apple money so its apple pie

I said small slice, he got paid, got some perks ( Ovo Radio ) and other promotions

Tidal was in its infancy when Drake came into the equation therefore the logical decision from a personal standpoint was to go with Apple which is guaranteed revenue

Regardless of how much Apple makes, he got paid for his service and he agreed on it

Maybe Drake didnt want to be viewed as Jay's underling

Not everyone wants to dikkride the next artist's platform

 

[bucks3115]

#1 Tidal was taking a stand to pay the artist more. Drake aligning with Apple while people who helped him become relevant i.e. Alicia Keys, Jay-Z, Kanye, Rihanna, Beyoncé, and others were joining forces. It just proved that he is not a loyal person. A lot of powerful people decided to take a chance on Tidal and Drake really would've been the piece they needed to take it to the level they needed to be at to be a threat. I would be pissed too. I know you're a Drake stan, but just go back and watch that old Tidal video where all the celebs did the press conference. How many of them helped Drake position himself to be the artist that he is?

He always wants to be "down" and "black" when it's convenient and it's time to sell records, but when it comes to actually building and maintaining with his people he makes selfish decisions. You can try to counter with the "oh, but he writes for other people" but that is not the same as taking a stand and building your own platform. I think Jay took Drake under his wing and probably gave him a lot of game, more than we probably see. So it was like Drake spat in his face when he basically chose to side with Tim Cook and Jimmy Iovine who are not artists, but eat off the artists and really don't put in work.

It's one thing to stan someone and love their music but the boy has character flaws that keep getting exposed. Not saying Jay is perfect, but if one black man is coming to another and saying "hey, let's team up and win....we're the ones creating...we're the ones moving the culture...we can control our own shyt" and then you give your word that you'll join him....then side with the enemy...that's real snake behavior. You did it for 20Ms too and you had a mentor who could easily show you how to make a billy in his time. But nope. You took the short money and now nikkas know you got ghostwriters, Push got at you and you laid down and died and knocked up a porn star and hid your son.

Well
Dnt if its 100% accurate
But this make alot of sense

Expect drake to help black excellence breh

 

[hex]

It goes way back as far as maybe Blueprint 3 on the A star is Born track. Jigga always throws subs at the newest big rapper like the line "Watch how quickly I drop 50" was about Curtis

Huh?

The Jay/50 shyt started with "How To Rob" and "Be A Gentleman".

Fred.

 

[TL15]

people love excusing Jay's crab moves but he got a lot of them.

everyone is entitled to do what's best for them.

And Jay is entitled to criticize said moves as well

I think the point is...Jay and Drake think and move way differently. Drake is an actor... Jay is a hustler (if we look at their core from when they were 16-21)

Drake is used to "signing here and collecting money for a service"
Jay is used to "buying and selling" (whatever that means... selling drugs, starting a label, starting a clothing brand, buying and selling)

They won't ever see eye to eye because of their core values being misaligned. Drake might go down as the highest hip hop earner ever...but he made his bosses MORE money... Jay might go down as the highest hip hop earner ever, and he did it on the strength of his own endeavors, partnerships, owning his masters, etc.

which is correct? I lean toward the Jay side personally...but Drake is making money with potentially less stress, less personal liability, and less effort. Jay is always moving and concerning himself with the next "flip"

 

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

And Jay is entitled to criticize said moves as well

I think the point is...Jay and Drake think and move way differently. Drake is an actor... Jay is a hustler (if we look at their core from when they were 16-21)

Drake is used to "signing here and collecting money for a service"
Jay is used to "buying and selling" (whatever that means... selling drugs, starting a label, starting a clothing brand, buying and selling)

They won't ever see eye to eye because of their core values being misaligned. Drake might go down as the highest hip hop earner ever...but he made his bosses MORE money... Jay might go down as the highest hip hop earner ever, and he did it on the strength of his own endeavors, partnerships, owning his masters, etc.

which is correct? I lean toward the Jay side personally...but Drake is making money with potentially less stress, less personal liability, and less effort. Jay is always moving and concerning himself with the next "flip"

I didn't hear him throwing shade at Tailor Swift in those bars. How quickly we forgot about Euro Hov and him trying to bring her into the fold during Tidals inception.

same nikka screaming mazel tov and l'haim turned around wore a 7 pendant and talking bout chasing a yakub into a cave... from euro hov to all black everything. Jay is the biggest opportunist ever.

Jay doesn't have the right to publicly shame Drake for not working with him that's corny and you know it's personal. If not Lebron should also have caught some bars after being courted by Jay and doing his own thing as well. Can't pick and choose when to fake outrage.

 

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

#1 Tidal was taking a stand to pay the artist more. Drake aligning with Apple while people who helped him become relevant i.e. Alicia Keys, Jay-Z, Kanye, Rihanna, Beyoncé

they helped each other. drake was the new it guy so collaborating with him did just as much for them it wasn't charity