Someone explain to me Jayz dissing Drake for not signing to Tidal?

[TL15]

I didn't hear him throwing shade at Tailor Swift in those bars. How quickly we forgot about Euro Hov and him trying to bring her into the fold during Tidals inception.

same nikka screaming mazel tov and l'haim turned around wore a 7 pendant and talking bout chasing a yakub into a cave... from euro hov to all black everything. Jay is the biggest opportunist ever.

Jay doesn't have the right to publicly shame Drake for not working with him that's corny and you know it's personal. If not Lebron should also have caught some bars after being courted by Jay and doing his own thing as well. Can't pick and choose when to fake outrage.

If you're comparing the relationship that Jay had/has with Drake (featuring on Drake's first album, giving Drake a feature on his album...featuring on various songs with him) and the implied kinship between two of the biggest rappers ever with a relationship with Taylor Swift and LeBron James, then it's clear you didn't get my point. LeBron is a basketball player...Taylor isn't a rapper.

"Jay doesn't have the right to publicly shame Drake"

He does tho . Just like Drake has the right to say "I'm doing shyt my way old nikka"... They are clearly cut from different cloths even though they have both succeeded as rappers. Jay can say "you're corny for not being a hustler and not risking shyt with me for a potential high payoff" and Drake has the right to say "you're corny for trying to compete with apple and being an opportunist...I'm going to get this bag over here"...

both sides are perfectly viable (judging by their bank accounts)...you can ride with Drake, but the point I've made is pretty clear

Original question: why is Jay Z dissing Drake for not joining Tidal?

Answer: because Jay is a hustler who is less risk adverse and is used to buying and selling, he thinks it's corny for one of the biggest rappers in the world to collect a safe check from apple, instead of taking risks with a peer. Jay values ownership, Drake values the bag. They have different values (in regards to streaming services, ownership, master's etc.) and Jay feels it's corny to not think the way he does. The same is true with Drake: he thinks it's corny to not think the way he does. BOTH are entitled to their opinion and both are entitled to criticize the other.

 

[trillanova]

they helped each other. drake was the new it guy so collaborating with him did just as much for them it wasn't charity

No. Everyone Drake collaborated with was established and had very strong fanbases that were time tested. Each time he got to collaborated with the artist I mentioned he got the benefit of tapping into an established audience and him working with those people gave him credibility he wouldn't have otherwise had regardless of him being the new it guy in rap.

The fact that you're that naieve to think Jay collaborating with Drake was somehow an even exchange is hilarious. Jay got a hot feature but Drake's feature didn't make or break Jay's album, if anything it made people more curious about Drake and if Hov let him have a spot on his album, maybe there's more to him. When Jay was on Light Up, again, it added to Drake's credibility, not the other way around.

Do you not understand Drake was a half Jewish child actor from Canada trying to break into the rap game at a time when Wayne, Tip, Jeezy, Ross and Ye were dominating? How do you think it was even possible for anyone to ever take him seriously? It was all of the strength of other established African American artist that gave him relevancy to be able to break into the US market. Drake wasnt doing nobody no damn favors that's the lie. Drake relied and still relies on African American validation to be taken seriously which is why people don't understand why he worked with Blocboy JB and Lil Baby. He makes it seem like he needs them but the truth is, it's the other way around.

 

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

If you're comparing the relationship that Jay had/has with Drake (featuring on Drake's first album, giving Drake a feature on his album...featuring on various songs with him) and the implied kinship between two of the biggest rappers ever with a relationship with Taylor Swift and LeBron James, then it's clear you didn't get my point. LeBron is a basketball player...Taylor isn't a rapper.

"Jay doesn't have the right to publicly shame Drake"

He does tho . Just like Drake has the right to say "I'm doing shyt my way old nikka"... They are clearly cut from different cloths even though they have both succeeded as rappers. Jay can say "you're corny for not being a hustler and not risking shyt with me for a potential high payoff" and Drake has the right to say "you're corny for trying to compete with apple and being an opportunist...I'm going to get this bag over here"...

both sides are perfectly viable (judging by their bank accounts)...you can ride with Drake, but the point I've made is pretty clear

Original question: why is Jay Z dissing Drake for not joining Tidal?

Answer: because Jay is a hustler who is less risk adverse and is used to buying and selling, he thinks it's corny for one of the biggest rappers in the world to collect a safe check from apple, instead of taking risks with a peer. Jay values ownership, Drake values the bag. They have different values (in regards to streaming services, ownership, master's etc.) and Jay feels it's corny to not think the way he does. The same is true with Drake: he thinks it's corny to not think the way he does. BOTH are entitled to their opinion and both are entitled to criticize the other.

By that same logic nothing Kanye said about Jay was wrong either.

This the same nikka who used to go into the studio and pull crab moves against Camron when they were on the same team. "implied kinship" what a stretch.. it was business.

Saying Lebron is a basketball player doesn't change my point. Jay also mentored him and had Lebron throwing up the roc until it was time to actually do business together. Lebron did his own thing. Hov didn't talk about being irked then... pick and choose when things matter brehs. Where were his bars for Broner telling him to suck a dikk after he turned down his offer for his boxing management. Just because it's not Tidal doesn't change the scenario it's all business even if it isn't music business.

Again stop pretending that Jay working with Drake only benefited Drake it was a mutually beneficial arrangement it was not charity. Hov was mentoring Drake because they are "friends" meanwhile he got Cole under him. Don't Juelz the anwer Jay dissing because he has crab tendencies.

 

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

No. Everyone Drake collaborated with was established and had very strong fanbases that were time tested. Each time he got to collaborated with the artist I mentioned he got the benefit of tapping into an established audience and him working with those people gave him credibility he wouldn't have otherwise had regardless of him being the new it guy in rap.

The fact that you're that naieve to think Jay collaborating with Drake was somehow an even exchange is hilarious. Jay got a hot feature but Drake's feature didn't make or break Jay's album, if anything it made people more curious about Drake and if Hov let him have a spot on his album, maybe there's more to him. When Jay was on Light Up, again, it added to Drake's credibility, not the other way around.

Do you not understand Drake was a half Jewish child actor from Canada trying to break into the rap game at a time when Wayne, Tip, Jeezy, Ross and Ye were dominating? How do you think it was even possible for anyone to ever take him seriously? It was all of the strength of other established African American artist that gave him relevancy to be able to break into the US market. Drake wasnt doing nobody no damn favors that's the lie. Drake relied and still relies on African American validation to be taken seriously which is why people don't understand why he worked with Blocboy JB and Lil Baby. He makes it seem like he needs them but the truth is, it's the other way around.

now you acting straight retarded. Jay collaborates with hot acts to keep himself relevant just as much as it helps them it helps him.

He did a collabo album with Linkin Park and Kanye for the same reasons. It's Ironic you gonna start listing what Drake does like he ain't learn it from hov

he keeps himself relevant by tapping into what is currently hot. Jay on the ha remix with juvenile, Jay jumping on tracks Kiss was bodying, Jay tryna strong arm budden off a hit he has a history of this. you are purely disingenuous.

 

[trillanova]

now you acting straight retarded. Jay collaborates with hot acts to keep himself relevant just as much as it helps them it helps him.

He did a collabo album with Linkin Park and Kanye for the same reasons. It's Ironic you gonna start listing what Drake does like he ain't learn it from hov

he keeps himself relevant by tapping into what is currently hot. Jay on the ha remix with juvenile, Jay jumping on tracks Kiss was bodying, Jay tryna strong arm budden off a hit he has a history of this. you are purely disingenuous.

What you just said changed nothing about the truth of my point. Tidal launching was a team effort consisting of a large amount of people that helped grow Drake's relevance in the US. Drake did not have a solid fanbase in the United States. He leveraged the credibility of other artists (many of them including Jay were on board to launch Tidal.) to maintain a foothold in the game. What Jay did to stay hot has nothing to do with Drake using the strength of a Jay's name and collaboration to build his CREDIBILITY. Drake is from Canada. He played a goofy wheelchair bound character in a teen show. HE'S FROM CANADA. And he comes from a fairly well off Jewish background. None of that rings hip hop that's why Atlantic dropped him. He had to go back to the drawing board and figure out how to reinvent himself in order to break into the United States. Since he could not change his origins it his background since it was already public, he HAD to move with certain people so the public perception could think he must be ok. All those favors he always mentions and stats salty about was the price he had to pay in order to be seen with people who actually had clout. Nobody was just gonna rock with his goofy ass publicly just because he could make a cool little song.

His image was not strong enough alone to survive in the hip hop environment of 07-2012 on his own as who he actually was. You are a goofy too if you don't understand that shyt.

 

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

What you just said changed nothing about the truth of my point. Tidal launching was a team effort consisting of a large amount of people that helped grow Drake's relevance in the US. Drake did not have a solid fanbase in the United States. He leveraged the credibility of other artists (many of them including Jay were on board to launch Tidal.) to maintain a foothold in the game. What Jay did to stay hot has nothing to do with Drake using the strength of a Jay's name and collaboration to his CREDIBILITY. Drake is from Canada. He played a goofy wheelchair bound character in a teen show. HE'S FROM CANADA. And he comes from a fairly well off Jewish background. None of that rings hip hop that's why Atlantic dropped him. He had to go back to the drawing board and figure out how to reinvent himself in order to break into the United States. Since he could not change his origins it his background since it was already public, he HAD to move with certain people so the public perception could think he must be ok. All those favors he always mentions and stats salty about was the price he had to pay in order to be seen with people who actually had clout. Nobody was just gonna rock with his goofy ass publicly just because he could make a cool little song.

His image was not strong enough alone to survive in the hip hop environment of 07-2012 on his own as who he actually was. You are a goofy too if you don't understand that shyt.

Wayne helped Drake grow his relevancy in the U.S.

His first mixtape being well received helped him grow his relevancy in the U.S.

the buzzards attached themselves to him cuz he was the hot new kid and they wanted that energy. STOP IT.

Alicia Keys, rihanna, jay, bey did not make drake. they benefited off each other and that is the truth.

Jay and his wife just used a migos song and their adlibs on a their album. Did they do that to benefit the migos or to benefit from them?

nikkaz are bold face liars in here...

 

[SunZoo]

Its apple money so its apple pie

I said small slice, he got paid, got some perks ( Ovo Radio ) and other promotions

Tidal was in its infancy when Drake came into the equation therefore the logical decision from a personal standpoint was to go with Apple which is guaranteed revenue

Regardless of how much Apple makes, he got paid for his service and he agreed on it

Maybe Drake didnt want to be viewed as Jay's underling

Not everyone wants to dikkride the next artist's platform

Ok then cancel all that, the tidal shyt all together.

There is still the issue of Drake dissing Jay, positioning himself as his replacement all while becoming the biggest asset of the company trying to destroy his movement, however much merit you want to give to the concept of what Tidal is supposed to be for the artists.

 

[Lotto]

Jay Z is mad at Drake because Drake gave Jay his word and word is bond.

 

[QuintessentialMan]

Whatever. Im still not paying for any music EVER. Apple Tidal Spotify not getting 1 cent. Music is free.

 

[New Username]

Ok then cancel all that, the tidal shyt all together.

There is still the issue of Drake dissing Jay, positioning himself as his replacement all while becoming the biggest asset of the company trying to destroy his movement, however much merit you want to give to the concept of what Tidal is supposed to be for the artists.

There's no friendship in business

Jay knows this first hand

So his issue is moreso, drake choosing business over friendship

He rather kiss someone else's ass than Jay's

Jay mad Drake chose not to kiss his

 

[CrimsonTider]

Jay Z is mad at Drake because Drake gave Jay his word and word is bond.

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Whatever. Im still not paying for any music EVER. Apple Tidal Spotify not getting 1 cent. Music is free.

 

[SuburbanPimp]

There's no friendship in business

Jay knows this first hand

So his issue is moreso, drake choosing business over friendship

He rather kiss someone else's ass than Jay's

Jay mad Drake chose not to kiss his

I don't think Drake and Hov were friends like that ... But Drake definitely has that choice and Jay can speak on it as well

And I don't think those lines were directed solely at Drake yeah he is probably the biggest artist he was alluding to but it's not just about him....

When I first heard it I thought he was talking about Kanye

 

[djkumbaya]

itt:

drake is horrible, no one listens to him, his music sucks

also itt

drake would have been the biggest draw to tidal, how could drake not sign with jay


how you dissin and subbin a man but want him to work for you. also jay-z still wants to claim greatness while using drakes name to catapult him like he does with ye

 

[SunZoo]

There's no friendship in business

Jay knows this first hand

So his issue is moreso, drake choosing business over friendship

He rather kiss someone else's ass than Jay's

Jay mad Drake chose not to kiss his

Nah, you missed the point, they weren't friends like that.

I don’t have to lose in order for you guys to win, and let’s just remember that.”

My thing with Jimmy is, “Listen, Jimmy; you’re Jimmy Iovine, and you’re Apple, and truthfully, you're great. You guys are going to do great things with Beats, but … you know, I don’t have to lose in order for you guys to win, and let’s just remember that.” Again, I’m not angry. I actually told him, “Yo, you should be helping me. This is for the artist. These are people that you supported your whole life. You know, this is good.”

Have you heard the rumor that he’s trying to lure people from your first-tier group by offering them more money upfront?

I think that’s just his competitive nature, and I don’t know if he’s looking at the bigger picture: That it’s not about me and it’s not about him; it’s about the future of the music business.

He said that before Drake went and did his deal.

He ain't want his ass kissed He wanted one of the biggest artists to come help him compete with people who have been controlling the industry since it began.

Now you wanna make it a black/white/jew thing be my guest, it doesn't really matter.

You don't talk slick about me, claim you're usurping me, ride off with my competition as a means of achieving becoming my 'replacement' and expect me not to line you up.

 

[FeloniousMonk]

a great way to realize someone is a bad business person is if they get mad at you for not doing business with them

Its more than about being mad. Its about control and leverage..which business is about.