Someone's GOAT (NOT MINE) got whooped in a first round series after getting gifted a top 5 player in the league

Is Bron getting another ring as a 1st or 2nd option?

  • Yes

    Votes: 5 7.9%
  • No

    Votes: 58 92.1%

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Deafheaven

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AGAIN THATS NOT AT ALL WHAT IM SAYIN

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MY POINT IS THAT THE ENTIRE DEFENSIVE SCHEME BY DETROIT WAS PREDICATED ON STOPPING KOBE WHILE LETTING SHAQ SCORE

WHY CANT U JUST ACKNOWLEDGE THAT?

What is the point? that it worked :huh:

sure I'll acknowledge that. I'm not really trying to go back and forth about this much longer fr, ya'll kobe/bron stans don't have no off button so I know I'll be in here all day if I choose to :dead:
 

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All of this superteam nonsense like Kobe didn't spend the first decade of his career with PRIME SHAQ while Lebron was hooping with Boobie Gibson :mjlol: Because playing with Kevin Love and a young Kyrie against the Warriors or with AD as an old man is equivalent to playing with prime Shaq for most of your 20s.

I'm not sure who ya'll think Kobe is, we've seen his entire career play out. We've seen him win sidekick rings, we've seen him lose in the finals with prime Shaq to a team without a superstar, we've seen him blow 3-1 leads in the first round and miss the playoffs in his prime, we've seen him be incapable of winning a single playoff series without a HOF teammate, we've seen him get packed out again and again after the age of 31 and fade into irrelevance, we've seen him win a single MVP in 20 years. He simply isn't in the conversation. Legendary player but GOAT? If any of these applied to Lebron he would be crucified :dead:


Shane Battier and Kirilenko are great wing defenders, especially Battier. Who was Kobe's comp at the guard position? Raja Bell :unimpressed: The point is these awards are narrative/reputation based and Kobe's reputation as a defender exceeded his actual impact.

I'll reiterate: Kobe was a good defender at the guard position but not an all-time great defender. Especially when compared to elite defenders like Duncan, Olajuwon, Garnett, or Lebron whose prime defensive metrics are through the roof, yet most have fewer All-defensive selections. Lebron has quadruple the amount of top 4 DPOY finishes than Kobe which is a better illustration of their defensive standing in the league.

Its not a detriment to say X player played with other good players.

Its incredibly rare for a TEAM to win with just one player to really worry about. You could argue thats Joker right now.

But all greats generally have someone else great beside them.

Mj/Pippen
Kobe/Shaq/Pau
Lebron/Wade/AD/Kyrie
Duncan/Parker


It is extremely rare for teams not to have at least two fringe all nba tier players exercise continued success year over year. Kobe had good teammates in the years he did the best. Shocking right. not really different from many great players.
 

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Rip was better player than 04. So was Tayshaun who developed into an actual offensive threat. Rasheed was still an All Star and CWebb was his usual efficient mid range self.


Numbers don’t lie. They weren’t facing an overrated ball hog in 2007. :russ:


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YUP ... THEY KNEW KOBE WAS BETTER AND WAS GOING TO GET FINALS MVP IF LAKERS WON. SO THEY PLAYED TO THAT AND SHUT HIM DOWN BY THROWING THEIR ENTIRE DEFENSE AT KOBE.

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U ACCEPT CHATGPT AS AN UNBIASED SOURCE, CORRECT? GO TO CHATGPT AND ASK.. "WHY DID THE LAKERS LOSE TO DETROIT IN 2004?"
Chat GPT isn’t a source MC Ginsberg. It just takes the amalgamation of online content and spits it back.




Here why don’t you show us where Kobe is getting double and triple teamed




CLAAAAAAANK CLAAAANK it’s exhausting :picard:
 

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What is the point? that it worked :huh:

sure I'll acknowledge that. I'm not really trying to go back and forth about this much longer fr, ya'll kobe/bron stans don't have no off button so I know I'll be in here all day if I choose to :dead:


MY POINT IS THAT.. YES, KOBE HAD AN OFF SERIES ON OFFENSE

BUT ALSO, SHAQ HAD AN OFF SERIES ON DEFENSE

AND THE MALONE INJURY + SIDE BEEFS (PAYTON VS PHIL.. SHAQ VS KOBE... ETC) WERE MAIN FACTORS IN WHY WE LOST

SO THE CATS WHO TRY TO PAINT IT LIKE WE LOST THE SERIES SOLELY BECAUSE OF KOBE EITHER WERENT THERE IN REAL TIME OR BEIN DISINGENUOUS TO PROP UP BRON.
 

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MY POINT IS THAT.. YES, KOBE HAD AN OFF SERIES ON OFFENSE

BUT ALSO, SHAQ HAD AN OFF SERIES ON DEFENSE

AND THE MALONE INJURY + SIDE BEEFS (PAYTON VS PHIL.. SHAQ VS KOBE... ETC) WERE A HUGE PART IN THE L

SO THE CATS WHO TRY TO PAINT IT LIKE WE LOST THE SERIES SOLELY BECAUSE OF KOBE EITHER WERENT THERE IN REAL TIME OR BEIN DISINGENUOUS TO PROP UP BRON.

Lol ofc they didn't lose just because of Kobe. anyone who says that is dumb.

I'm not trying to prop up anything. I'll take the L if I or I have misinterpreted something cuz ya'll stan wars be going in 8 diff directions I may have stumbled unto the end of one and got some shyt mixed up :manny:
 

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Its not a detriment to say X player played with other good players.

Its incredibly rare for a TEAM to win with just one player to really worry about. You could argue thats Joker right now.

But all greats generally have someone else great beside them.

Mj/Pippen
Kobe/Shaq/Pau
Lebron/Wade/AD/Kyrie
Duncan/Parker


It is extremely rare for teams not to have at least two fringe all nba tier players exercise continued success year over year. Kobe had good teammates in the years he did the best. Shocking right. not really different from many great players.
Not sure why you're quoting me when it's a rebuttal to a dude crying about Lebron's teammates, ignoring the fact that Kobe spent most of his 20s playing with the literal best player in the league.

And Kobe didn't win a single playoff series without a HOF teammate. Not a championship but a playoff series. Lebron has been to the finals without HOF teammates.
 

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If y’all MAGA Mambas don’t cut it the fukk out and stop comparing a fringe top 10-15 player to LeBron.


Kobe should be argued about with Dr. J and Durant. Not LeBron :laff:

Bron could make his next 3300 shots and LA still wouldn't care and we would still want him gone. We almost home, LeTick Tock :blessed:
 

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Not sure why you're quoting me when it's a rebuttal to a dude crying about Lebron's teammates, ignoring the fact that Kobe spent most of his 20s playing with the literal best player in the league.

And Kobe didn't win a single playoff series without a HOF teammate. Not a championship but a playoff series. Lebron has been to the finals without HOF teammates.

I was agreeing with you :gucci:
 

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Chat GPT isn’t a source MC Ginsberg. It just takes the amalgamation of online content and spits it back.




Here why don’t you show us where Kobe is getting double and triple teamed




CLAAAAAAANK CLAAAANK it’s exhausting :picard:



I THOUGHT U WERENT WIT THE ANTI-SEMITISM? WHATS WITH ALL THE GINSBERG SHIIT

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CHATGPT COMBINES ALL SOURCES TO GIVE U AN UNBIASED ANSWER



HAVE U PLAYED BASKETBALL ON ANY LEVEL? U LITERALLY JUST POSTED A VIDEO OF DETROIT SENDING HELP DEFENSE EVERY TIME KOBE GOT THE BALL


ROFL :snoop:
 

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Not sure why you're quoting me when it's a rebuttal to a dude crying about Lebron's teammates, ignoring the fact that Kobe spent most of his 20s playing with the literal best player in the league.

And Kobe didn't win a single playoff series without a HOF teammate. Not a championship but a playoff series. Lebron has been to the finals without HOF teammates.

KOBE HAS WON BACK TO BACK WIT A PLAYER THAT DIDNT EVEN MAKE TOP 75 AS HIS SECOND OPTION

LEBRON NEEDED 3RD OPTIONS ON THAT LEVEL TO WIN

FACTS ONLY
 

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Bron could make his next 3300 shots and LA still wouldn't care and we would still want him gone. We almost home, LeTick Tock :blessed:



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LeBron put his garbage ass son with a heart condition on your roster and you think it matters what Armando Krazmajian and Jose Lopez think about things :mjlol:
 

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CHATGPT COMBINES ALL SOURCES TO GIVE U AN UNBIASED ANSWER

No. :mjlol:

HAVE U PLAYED BASKETBALL ON ANY LEVEL? U LITERALLY JUST POSTED A VIDEO OF DETROIT SENDING HELP DEFENSE EVERY TIME KOBE GOT THE BALL


ROFL :snoop:

That’s literally the same defense every scorer in the NBA gets. :laff: If the Lakers set a screen, and the defender on the roll man jumps out on Kobe, do you A. Take an off balance fade way from 20 feet or B. Hit the roll man? :russ:

I’d say only 1/3rd of Kobe’s shots in that video were with the Pistons sending a help defender. The rest were your standard clanks. Btw. Where’s the triple team?
 
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