Someone's GOAT (NOT MINE) got whooped in a first round series after getting gifted a top 5 player in the league
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NOT EVEN CLOSE TO THE SAME LMAOOO
1ST ONE WE WERE ALREADY UP 3
2ND ONE SHAQ HAD SENIORITY ON THIS TEAM
3RD ONE WE DIDNT EVEN WIN THAT YEAR
4TH ONE WERE BEATING MAGIC EITHER WAY, CMON NOW
NICE TRY THO
ARE U RETARDED? KOBE HAS FINISHED TOP 5 IN DPOY MULTIPLE TIMES AND RECEIVED FIRST PLACE VOTES AS WELL
LEBRON HAS NEVER EVER EVERR BEEN A LOCKDOWN MAN DEFENDER ALA KOBE
HE WAS A GOOD WEAKSIDE DEFENDER AND PLAYED GOOD TEAM DEFENSE IN HIS PRIME
BUT THATS IT
SIT YO AZZ DOWN GLORIA
Mister Terrific
It’s in the name
Our game plan was very calculated. We knew we were going to play Shaq straight-up. We knew there was no way we could stop Shaq straight-up. And there was also no way we could stop Kobe straight-up. But, if we’re going to play Shaq straight-up, [the Lakers'] eyes are going to get big, which means they’re going to keep throwing it down there. We’re telling Ben the whole time, "Take fouls when you need to, but don’t get yourself into foul trouble. You need to give up a layup, cool, we’re going to get what we want on the other side." But what’s going to happen is Mr. Bryant is going to get a little discouraged with getting no touches and now the second half comes around…now he’s pressing. He’s going to start coming down and just breaking the offense. When you do that, you’re done—you’re playing right into our hands. Even if you start making those shots, you’re finished.
• Chauncey Billups
Kobe broke the offense. Imagine trying to make it sound like a good thing Kobe was considered the weakness of the team
Mister Terrific
It’s in the name
Yeah and Shaq shot 58% from the field and Kobe shot 43% and only averaged 2.5 more pointsTHATS BECAUSE SUNS WERE MORE SUCCESSFUL AS A TEAM
KOBE N SHAQ WERE ON THE SAME TEAM FOO
Let me help you. Kobe 24 points per game on 18 shots
Shaq 21.5 points per game on 14 shots
Shaq also was only 40% from the line and averaged 10 free throws a game. So really his average was only lower because he sucked at free throws
Shaq also also averaged 12 rebounds a game and nearly 3 blocks
Kobe had the hype machine behind him until he took the detour to Colorado. And was arguably the worst year of his career relative to his age.
More casual drivelYou don't know shyt about basketball
this is such a strawman argument.
Another strawman argument. Any MVP candidate can jump from franchise to franchise and ruin parity by playing with the best competition. Obviously the achievements are all cheap and not earned without tipping the scale. It's easy to achieve when you game the system as we saw with Durant who hasn't done shyt without the warriors. Cheap rings. It was just funny that Durant beat Lebron at his own game and got two final MVPs on his dome
The one time Bean and Lebron were supposed to meet in the finals Bron got packed up Dwight. Kobe got Finals MVP that seasonI wish Lebron and Bean played in that finals Kobe would have swept his ass and you know it
As @Sccit and other have shown Kobe was not a sidekick. Shaq and his dynamic was 1A 1B. We never beat the Spurs without bean. Kobe was actually better to the point where Phil told him to dial back at times with his scoring outburst to prevent Shaq from having a toddler tantrum :mjlol. Kobe won two more without shaq which proves that Kobe was always better. Nobody is arguing who had the better career between the two of them anymore. You have such a 2004 argument. You are making a false equivalence between literally cheating the parity system and winning cheap rings along with cheap accolades. Bringing up Shaq is such a deflection
Plus LeBron had the benefit of playing in the east. He had east coast media bias. Compeition was already weaker in the east those days.
You aren't really arguing anything btw. Your argument is basically "lol Kobe not good defender he got those awards based on reputation". HE was one of the best guard defenders EVER. He earned everything the right way too
Lebron won double the amount of MVPS as Kobe back when he was playing with Boobie Gibson
Yeah, 35 year old Lebron's FMVP with Kyle fukking Kuzma as his 3rd option was because he was on a superteam. Or what about 2016 against a 73-9 team with the Cavs third best player injured. The scales were tipped huh? Kobe should have won
He was in his prime playing with a HOF teammate and great role players. Lebron was in his early 20s hooping with Mo Williams and Anderson Varejao. Funny enough, Lebron has taken teams without any HOFers to the finals, Kobe has never even won a playoff series without a HOF teammate.Anybody that argues that Kobe was better than Shaq during the 3peat is not to be taken seriously:
Kobe won a ring averaging 23 less PPG than Shaq in the finals
That's the very definition of a sidekick ring. Jamal Murray would be damned.It’s really not complicated: guards face less competition for All-Defensive spots than forwards or centers, so being one of the top guard defenders doesn’t automatically mean you were more impactful. Kobe has more All-Defensive nods than Duncan or Artest, but no one genuinely thinks he was a better defender than either. DPOY voting provides a more accurate measure of impact because it's an award that spans all positions. Kobe was never a serious contender for the award. LeBron, on the other hand, has been.
Torrential
LWO
you didnt bring about any new arguments with this response all of Lebron's individual accolades pre-heat were due to being in a weak eastern conference where you could be ten games below .500 and still get into the playoffsMore casual drivel
Lebron won double the amount of MVPS as Kobe back when he was playing with Boobie Gibson
Kobe should have won
Anybody that argues that Kobe was better than Shaq during the 3peat is not to be taken seriously:
Kobe won a ring averaging 23 less PPG than Shaq in the finals
It’s really not complicated: guards face less competition for All-Defensive spots than forwards or centers, so being one of the top guard defenders doesn’t automatically mean you were more impactful. Kobe has more All-Defensive nods than Duncan or Artest, but no one genuinely thinks he was a better defender than either. DPOY voting provides a more accurate measure of impact because it's an award that spans all positions. Kobe was never a serious contender for the award. LeBron, on the other hand, has been.
. Not to mention the east coast media bias. I'll just repeat my earlier response to you that any achievements Lebron made after his super team business are all cheap. It's easy to look good when he gamed the system with his super teams,
. You're attempting to discredit kobe's all NBA defense selections based on him being a guard? Weak. You're repeating another strawman. If LeBron was this great defender it would have reflected in the ALL nba selections, First or second team.
Strawman again
I'm not arguing who is a better defender regarding Duncan or Artest. Kobe is a superior defender to Lebron nobody even argues this lmao. Who was Lebron in competition with where he missed out on his all nba defense selection ? Based on your argument Lebron should have made it over Battier and Kirilenko
That stiff competition . Imagine regarding Kirilenko and Shane Battier , Paul Milsap , and Robert Covington as gatekeepers for lebron being an All NBA defender. You worried about Kobe but Kirilenko and Battier and , Paul Milsap are who you should be worried about . Imagine a world where we cry about competition to get into the All NBA defense conversation but Paul fukking Milsap is a better defender than you 2004
Andrei Kirilenko got a nod over lebron
2005
Kirilenko again lmao.
2006
Kirilenko again
2008
Shane Battier. Lmao lebron couldnt get in over battier?
2016
Paul Milsap
Paul George ?!
2018
Robert Covington
From here on nobody would think Lebron get a defensive All NBA nod
Kobe Bryant is the superior basketball player and he would have benefitted from playing in the eastern conference as well as jumping from team to team ruining parity and doing things the easy way. You have been brainwashed by the ESPN machine . Do better. Find God.
Fred.
Our game plan was very calculated. We knew we were going to play Shaq straight-up. We knew there was no way we could stop Shaq straight-up. And there was also no way we could stop Kobe straight-up. But, if we’re going to play Shaq straight-up, [the Lakers'] eyes are going to get big, which means they’re going to keep throwing it down there. We’re telling Ben the whole time, "Take fouls when you need to, but don’t get yourself into foul trouble. You need to give up a layup, cool, we’re going to get what we want on the other side." But what’s going to happen is Mr. Bryant is going to get a little discouraged with getting no touches and now the second half comes around…now he’s pressing. He’s going to start coming down and just breaking the offense. When you do that, you’re done—you’re playing right into our hands. Even if you start making those shots, you’re finished.
• Chauncey Billups
Kobe broke the offense. Imagine trying to make it sound like a good thing Kobe was considered the weakness of the team
YOURE BASICALLY PROVING MY POINT
KOBE WAS THE ONLY PLAYER THEY PUT ANY FOCUS ON DEFENSIVELY
BECAUSE THEY KNEW SHAQ ALONE COULDNT BEAT THEM
SO IF YOUR EXCUSE IS THAT LEBRON SHOT 35% AND 39% IN 07 AND 15 BECAUSE HE WAS THE PRIMARY FOCUS... NOT GUNA CUT IT
Yeah and Shaq shot 58% from the field and Kobe shot 43% and only averaged 2.5 more points
Let me help you. Kobe 24 points per game on 18 shots
Shaq 21.5 points per game on 14 shots
Shaq also was only 40% from the line and averaged 10 free throws a game. So really his average was only lower because he sucked at free throws
Shaq also also averaged 12 rebounds a game and nearly 3 blocks
Kobe had the hype machine behind him until he took the detour to Colorado. And was arguably the worst year of his career relative to his age.
THAT WAS THE COLORADO YEAR
AND HE STILL FINISHED ABOVE SHAQ IN MVP VOTING
SHAQ WAS A LIABILITY ON DEFENSE AT THAT POINT .. EVEN HAD MORE TURNOVERS AS A CENTER LOL! .. THE ENTIRE BEEF BETWEEN KOBE N SHAQ WAS PREDICATED ON SHAQ NOT WILLIN TO STAY N SHAPE N PUT IN THE WORK ALA KOBE
U WERENT THERE, SIT DOWN
More casual drivel
Lebron won double the amount of MVPS as Kobe back when he was playing with Boobie Gibson
Kobe should have won
Anybody that argues that Kobe was better than Shaq during the 3peat is not to be taken seriously:
Kobe won a ring averaging 23 less PPG than Shaq in the finals
It’s really not complicated: guards face less competition for All-Defensive spots than forwards or centers, so being one of the top guard defenders doesn’t automatically mean you were more impactful. Kobe has more All-Defensive nods than Duncan or Artest, but no one genuinely thinks he was a better defender than either. DPOY voting provides a more accurate measure of impact because it's an award that spans all positions. Kobe was never a serious contender for the award. LeBron, on the other hand, has been.
LEBRON HAD MULTIPLE SEASONS WHERE HIS TEAM WAS FAVORED TO WIN IT ALL AND HE LOST
THOSE POPULARITY CONTEST NUMBERS DONT MEAN SHIIT.. SHAQ CLEARLY HAD SENIORITY AND WAS THE LEADER OF THE TEAM. BUT KOBE WAS ALREADY BETTER BY 2001
ANYONE WHO CALLS THIS A "SIDEKICK" DOESNT KNOW BALL
you didnt bring about any new arguments with this response all of Lebron's individual accolades pre-heat were due to being in a weak eastern conference where you could be ten games below .500 and still get into the playoffs
I'll just repeat my earlier response to you that any achievements Lebron made after his super team business are all cheap. It's easy to look good when he gamed the system with his super teams,
. You're attempting to discredit kobe's all NBA defense selections based on him being a guard? Weak. You're repeating another strawman. If LeBron was this great defender it would have reflected in the ALL nba selections, First or second team.
Strawman again
Who was Lebron in competition with where he missed out on his all nba defense selection ? Based on your argument Lebron should have made it over Battier and Kirilenko
2004
Andrei Kirilenko got a nod over lebron
2005
Kirilenko again lmao.
2006
Kirilenko again
2008
Shane Battier. Lmao lebron couldnt get in over battier?
2016
Paul Milsap
Paul George ?!
2018
Robert Covington
From here on nobody would think Lebron get a defensive All NBA nod
Kobe Bryant is the superior basketball player and he would have benefitted from playing in the eastern conference as well as jumping from team to team ruining parity and doing things the easy way. You have been brainwashed by the ESPN machine . Do better. Find God.
Fred.
KOBE IN THE EAST WOULDA AVERAGED 40 PPG
WE SEE HOW LEBRONS CAREER SHIFTED ONCE HE CAME OUT WEST
BECAME A PERENNIAL 1ST ROUND EXIT N DOESNT GET ANY AWARD RECOGNITION, DESPITE THERE BEING NO NOTICEABLE DECLINE IN HIS GAME LOLLL
ONLY MADE 1 ALL-NBA TEAM SINCE JOINING THE LAKERS
