Sorry Jay, I'm Not Buying It

[No1]

Well no. "Why should I support the wealthy?" is a valid point when the wealthy are using their fame and appeal as the reason why you should buy their product. It was never an "ever" issue. Also with the freestyle he's made Tidal about him again. Rather than its qualities. And that's at the heart of the problem.

As initial point, perhaps but now the disdain for the individuals is the crux of all the negative reviews of Tidal. Tidal's mistaken selling point is that it is the best service for artists--and their is merit to that, but the consumer does not care about that. However, you're trying to tell him to divorce himself from Tidal when the entire point is that it is artist owned and artists have greater connections to fans and can control what they do. The fact that he is wealthy should not undermine that point. The reviews of the actual product are mostly positive, but even in those there are notes about not wanting to support Jay Z, Madonna or Kanye. The reason that this is crazy is because Nike, Apple, etc. all have questionable human rights records but none of these things are brought up when reviewing their products. It is unprecedented today. Most people who make those types of critiques are relegated to the sidelines.

 

[Matt504]

As initial point, perhaps but now the disdain for the individuals is the crux of all the negative reviews of Tidal. Tidal's mistaken selling point is that it is the best service for artists--and their is merit to that, but the consumer does not care about that. However, you're trying to tell him to divorce himself from Tidal when the entire point is that it is artist owned and artists have greater connections to fans and can control what they do. The fact that he is wealthy should not undermine that point. The reviews of the actual product are mostly positive, but even in those there are notes about not wanting to support Jay Z, Madonna or Kanye. The reason that this is crazy is because Nike, Apple, etc. all have questionable human rights records but none of these things are brought up when reviewing their products. It is unprecedented today. Most people who make those types of critiques are relegated to the sidelines.

EXACTLY, one of Apple's factories in China literally had to install "suicide nets" because so many of the workers were jumping to their deaths.

That's why I look sideways at a lot of the Tidal critique coming from Black people, much of it is disingenuous

 

[invincible1914]

It took me a minute (well a couple of seconds) but I got it.




Tidal is trying to compete on narrative and pulling on strings and not price/value of service.....



I get Spotify premium for $5 a month





Thats right Gemini.... it looks like a sellout

 

[I_Got_Da_Burna]

 

[I_Got_Da_Burna]

This thread should've been tossed in the Coli's bushes after this post.

why are you Camel stans so mad about OP's opinion? truth hurting yall that badly?

 

[DaChampIsHere]

Spotify has 12m paying subscribers. Up from 10m around June 2014.

http://www.theguardian.com/technolo...-financial-results-streaming-music-profitable

And they are still running at a lost. Online music streaming is not a viable business model anymore. Once bandwidth and internet speed abilities go further, even movies services like Netflix will find it hard to keep the regular customer from downloading for free.

EXACTLY, one of Apple's factories in China literally had to install "suicide nets" because so many of the workers were jumping to their deaths.

That's why I look sideways at a lot of the Tidal critique coming from Black people, much of it is disingenuous

The reason that this is crazy is because Nike, Apple, etc. all have questionable human rights records but none of these things are brought up when reviewing their products.

You all are making it about social issues, when it's simply that they product is (1) NEW (2) Not as good, or better to make people switch. White people aren't supporting Tidal either and they buy most of Jay's CDs I'm sure, so idk how this is a black issue, or even a race issue at all. If Tidal fails, I don't see how that's on the backs of black people.

If Tidal REALLY was the BEST thing about and costed like $5-7/month (under Spotify) and and it was 3 years ago, they would prob have a lot of subscribers. I would def subscribe. Idk what kind of successful business you guys run where you knowingly put out a product that costs more for less product quality than your competitors in a product model that is dying out but I don't think you'll be in business for long.

No product market works like that.

You don't get to put out a shytty product and then have everyone's blackness indebted to whether your (very late) product succeeds or not. That doesn't een make any sense

 

[Bald Head Ba$tard]

why are you Camel stans so mad about OP's opinion? truth hurting yall that badly?

Don't be ignorant, mayne. I never stated I was supporting Tidal.

To me, there's no point when I can download a grouprip at the ease of my fingertips. Or just str8 up cop the physical if I want it in my cd collection.

It's just funny seeing people that won't purchase the shyt acting like their shytty opinion has value.

 

[Matt504]

http://www.theguardian.com/technolo...-financial-results-streaming-music-profitable

And they are still running at a lost. Online music streaming is not a viable business model anymore. Once bandwidth and internet speed abilities go further, even movies services like Netflix will find it hard to keep the regular customer from downloading for free.




You all are making it about social issues, when it's simply that they product is (1) NEW (2) Not as good, or better to make people switch. White people aren't supporting Tidal either and they buy most of Jay's CDs I'm sure, so idk how this is a black issue, or even a race issue at all. If Tidal fails, I don't see how that's on the backs of black people.

If Tidal REALLY was the BEST thing about and costed like $5-7/month (under Spotify), they would prob have a lot of subscribers. I would def subscribe. Idk what kind of successful business you guys run where you knowingly put out a product that costs more for less product quality than your competitors but I don't think you'll be in business for long.

No product market works like that.

You don't get to put out a shytty product and then have everyone's blackness indebted to whether your (very late) product succeeds or not. That doesn't een make any sense

My commentary is centered around the fact that White owned business ventures aren't met with this kind of scrutiny by Black people and why that might be, I'm doubtful that it has anything to do with one product being better than the other based on most of the critique I've heard and seen.

 

[RTF]

As initial point, perhaps but now the disdain for the individuals is the crux of all the negative reviews of Tidal. Tidal's mistaken selling point is that it is the best service for artists--and their is merit to that, but the consumer does not care about that. However, you're trying to tell him to divorce himself from Tidal when the entire point is that it is artist owned and artists have greater connections to fans and can control what they do. The fact that he is wealthy should not undermine that point. The reviews of the actual product are mostly positive, but even in those there are notes about not wanting to support Jay Z, Madonna or Kanye. The reason that this is crazy is because Nike, Apple, etc. all have questionable human rights records but none of these things are brought up when reviewing their products. It is unprecedented today. Most people who make those types of critiques are relegated to the sidelines.

IN one sentence you say the consumer does not care if Tidal is owned/benefits artists. IN another you say that is the entire point. Which one is it?

the product has to stand-up by itself. It's a service. A software service. You can't show it off to your friends as a fashion statement like the most popular artist marketed products (Beats, Ciroc). It has to stand-up by itself as a product.

The Apple comparisons are poor. Even the biggest Jobs' fan in the world, were only a fan of his and Apple because of the perceived quality of products they made. There's no sentiment involved. No heart-strings being pulled. No "do the right thing". Apple doesn't market itself based on how its products are ethically made like Chipotle - thus nobody cares. If Chipotle did the same, people would be horrified because that's part of the Chipotle USP. Part of the Tidal USP is being fair to millionaires. Wedoncare.

 

[Suicide King]

My commentary is centered around the fact that White owned business ventures aren't met with this kind of scrutiny by Black people and why that might be, I'm doubtful that it has anything to do with one product being better than the other based on most of the critique I've heard and seen.

As far as Tidal goes, who knows if it will flop or not. Just wish Jay-Z and his supporters would not shiit on his fans who supported him all this time. Especially the ones who do not own an iPod or a pair of Nike or have to be grateful just to get home alive.

It would be nice for him to thank all the fans who helped him get where he is today, but I guess that is too much to ask.

Really not feeling the angle. Feels like a low blow, that Jay-Z is not above making. Was cool on Blueprint, but it feels a lot more disrespectful now.

 

[RTF]

http://www.theguardian.com/technolo...-financial-results-streaming-music-profitable

And they are still running at a lost. Online music streaming is not a viable business model anymore. Once bandwidth and internet speed abilities go further, even movies services like Netflix will find it hard to keep the regular customer from downloading for free.

Spotify is still growing. Their main objective is growth - not profits. That's the case fro many disruptive businesses. They need to eat the ground up first. Amazon was still in the red over its history until 2009 - it launched in 1995/7. Amazon still doesn't consistently turn a profit. It reinvests all the money it makes. Because it's focused on long-term growth and profitability, not short-term profits.

So in short - you are wrong.

 

[Kuwka_Atcha_Ratcha]

No when you reach that level speak out for actual change not to push some overpriced streaming service.

over priced? the entrey level is the same as spotify non add level. and you get exclusives with tidal

 

[hex]

My commentary is centered around the fact that White owned business ventures aren't met with this kind of scrutiny by Black people and why that might be, I'm doubtful that it has anything to do with one product being better than the other based on most of the critique I've heard and seen.

Why aren't all these white owned businesses held under a microscope like Jay with Tidal?

No one mentions Foxconn when deciding to buy a Samsung over an iPhone.

To be honest, this is yet another case of white ice being colder, Black people don't want to see Black people getting richer without a "well how is that gonna benefit me" attitude that isn't equally applied to white people, you're OK with them getting richer because you're more comfortable giving white people your money.

EXACTLY, one of Apple's factories in China literally had to install "suicide nets" because so many of the workers were jumping to their deaths.

That's why I look sideways at a lot of the Tidal critique coming from Black people, much of it is disingenuous

to this and anyone that dapped it. Son....are you retarded?

Is Foxconn an album? Did the CEO of Apple or Samsung just release a single? No?

Well then why the fukk would we be discussing it in The Booth?

This Jay/TIDAL shyt is getting the microscope treatment because he's a rapper, and this is the hip-hop forum.

You want to see people shytting on Apple, discussing Foxconn, and all that other random ass shyt? Go to any of the various sub-forums on The Coli where it's all actually been discussed.

I'm at people sitting here like "why they nitpicking Jay and TIDAL"....as if everything on this site don't get nitpicked to death. You gotta, you know.....actually go to the sub-forums where those things are topics of discussion though.

Fred.

 

[DaChampIsHere]

Spotify is still growing. Their main objective is growth - not profits. That's the case fro many disruptive businesses. They need to eat the ground up first. Amazon was still in the red over its history until 2009 - it launched in 1995/7. Amazon still doesn't consistently turn a profit. It reinvests all the money it makes. Because it's focused on long-term growth and profitability, not short-term profits.

So in short - you are wrong.

Amazon has a growing field (e-commerce, selling tangible goods below market value) and NO OTHER SERVICE IS LIKE IT OR AS FAST AS IT OR AS CHEAP AS IT OR AS RELIABLE AS IT WHOLESALE and yeah I meant to type all of that in bold and large bc you all really don't seem to get it.. Where is PAYING to streaming music online growing to when we have been downloading music for free for almost 15 years.

So in short, while your theory is correct, it's also outdated and not applicable for the online music streaming. Great for unexplored markets though.

My commentary is centered around the fact that White owned business ventures aren't met with this kind of scrutiny by Black people and why that might be, I'm doubtful that it has anything to do with one product being better than the other based on most of the critique I've heard and seen.

You are bringing race into something that has nothing to do with race. Yeah, no one scrutinizes Apple's product quality (I actually hear a lot of people scrutinize the company) because it's arguably the best product in a market with a lot of growth. People scrutinize Tidal's product and Jay and everyone else tries to project his failings onto everyone else, instead of just looking at the product quality and the market.

It is a bad and late product. Very simple. All of the emotional rhetoric on each side of this discussion is unnecessary and wreaks of a lack of logic, trolling, people doing the most over something that is very simple.

Businesses fail everyday, b.

He should look into partnering with a hardware to offer subsidized subscriptions to users upon purchase or something. That'll be long money without so much focus on Tidal as a sole product. It's not good enough to stand on it's own like this right now.

 

[Mike Otherz]

I fukks with Jay, but I'm not stupid. He's trying to co-opt the press on Tidal and turn it into a Big Man vs. Little man, underdog, black vs. white type of rap feud. He's trying to politic the narrative and make it about the evil white corporation vs. the poor black hustler from Marcy trying to fight the system.

No Jay. You got caught being greedy and out of touch. You don't get to "come home" and make it a hip-hop thing. You don't get to trot Sigel out on stage under the guise of being that relatable dude that's about us.

This ain't about slavery, this ain't about Mike Brown, you don't get to make a martyr of yourself by mentioning those things when it's convenient. The nerve of using those terms while promoting a service that's all about charging more of my hard earned money to provide an inferior product and line your pockets.

You compete with Spotify by providing a better service or a cheaper service, like anything else in the market.

where does that leave someone like me? im still not getting Tidal so he didnt sell me on it, but he spoke relatively honest shyt about the media landscape and racism and double standards etc. and just cause he hasnt spoke this openly in the past and was forced to do it? so what. better late than never. and if he tryna save Tidal so? in that case we should thank the haters for forcing him to speak up.

only part i agree with you isthat Tidal will live or fail on its quality. if its worth it it deserves to suceed. if its trash, no amount of black loyalty will or should save it. i dont even think thats what his freestyle was about. the haters were against Tidal on “principle” , not on its quality. didnt even give them a chance to succeed or grow or improve, and attacking dudes character etc. you dont think thats a lil over the top?

thats all he is pointing out. if its too expensive for you, you are absolutely within ya rights to not fk with it. if its quality isnt good enough for you then again, you are absolutely with ya rights to not fk with it.

but the “greed” angle is pure character asssination and thats what media and white supremacy traffics in, so he was right to shyt on people, black or white who engage in that bs.

is jay z even allowed to start any businesses anymore since in theory he would want to make money off it? lol, business off limits for black people now, or just the black people who we feel have enough.

even if i dont fx with jay i would still call out this self defeating and racist thinking.