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So if the chinks come in and start showin their asses what the hell are Africans to do? Endure ANOTHER race coming in and oppressing the natives for centuries because the "worlds not fair"? Why do we have to always be the ones who have to go through the BS? Why do Africans have to take deals that come with a gun pointed at our face yet when you even suggest that we develop a pocket knife for self defense all of a sudden it's
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How can Africans keep the Chinese at bay? Or are we just supposed to let shyt happen to us cause the "worlds not fair"??

I can't...:snoop:
 

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I know people will call me crazy and might neg me, but who gives a crap.

From an African point of view, I would actually WELCOME Chinese military bases, yes WELCOME them in Africa. It would keep Western influence at bay(like it has in Asia), because Western Influence so far has been counter-progressive to African development, and Western nations like France still tries to keep their former colonies as puppets. I would only welcome Chinese bases into Africa as long as China in return keeps developing the infrastructure. Plus most of the African military is too weak to even defend against nations like France(which has threatened to invade African countries like Nigeria). Hell look what happened to Libya.

But I would REALLY like for the DRC to clear up their act and open up relationships with the Chinese so the Chinese can develop their infrastructure. Why? the potential of DRC is damn near TERRIFYING and makes Nigeria's potential look like a joke. I'm talking untouched minerals worth $24 trillion+! The whole worth of the US economy (largest in the world) is $14 trillion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Let me repeat; $24 Trillion+ worth more than the US economy. A developed DRC would be like the second coming of the Mali Empire that had the world in its hands. A developed DRC in a way would be bad for us in the West, just one small example...We would be at the mercy of DRC to even have the computers we are using at this moment or any other computing tech. A DRC pact with China would at least limit Western meddling and would at least develop the infrastructure. The DRC could become a regional(or world) power of Africa.

Again I don't see anything wrong with African nations starting trading or even military pacts with China. China even allows its smaller allies to have nukes(see North Korea). If South Africa or Nigeria were allies with China they would have been had nukes, especially South Africa.

These are just my theories. I can see Chinese military bases(though China only has one in one country in Africa) in Africa making people paranoid, but I all I know is that Africa missed the industrial stage(thanks to the West not developing Africa after colonization) and China is giving them a "shortcut". They can take it or leave it.

Yes, the DRC has a lot of potential. If Joseph Kabila had considered what he needed to do to make the Congo's economic growth hit above 15% he would (plan stolen from the internet):
- Consider looking at monetary policies to avoid currency fluctuations that other commodity exporters have. There's a few policy options that exist but each one of them has a draw back such as pegging the Congolese currency to the Euro.
- Certify artisanal miners in the Northeast. Use Gecamines to do so.
- Build transport links (road or air) to Kisangani where mined materials can be floated down the Congo river, AFTER initial processing.
- Have further processing occur again in Kinshasa. Thus, you have created a value chain.
- From Kinshasa, have the processed materials taken by train to the port of Matadi. Export globally from there.


This would involve substantial capital. It would require:

  • major overhauls of port facilities in Kisangani, Kinshasa and Matadi, the refurbishment of the Matadi-Kinshasa railway

  • purchasing large numbers of barges for transporting minerals from Kisangani to Kinshasa

  • purchasing hundreds of artisanal mines in the northeast

  • buying planes to transport minerals from the mines to Kisangani

  • perhaps most importantly, completely restructuring Gecamines so that it can offer results and accountability.
But the benefits would be massive:

  • large-scale regulated employment for thousands of workers in the northeast, which would result in a huge boon to the local economy

  • Gecamines, as a state-owned company, would be able to heavily contribute to the state budget with mining profits

  • security would improve as regulated extraction and employment undercuts rebel groups, while an improved state budget could (hopefully) improve the quality of the FARDC.

  • increased regulated extraction would undercut the price for non-certified minerals, crippling illegal trade

  • shipping out of the Atlantic rather than through other countries to the Indian Ocean would keep the trade in Congolese hands, and infrastructure investments would have a knock-on effect for other FDI.
 

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Yes, the DRC has a lot of potential. If Joseph Kabila had considered what he needed to do to make the Congo's economic growth hit above 15% he would (plan stolen from the internet):
- Consider looking at monetary policies to avoid currency fluctuations that other commodity exporters have. There's a few policy options that exist but each one of them has a draw back such as pegging the Congolese currency to the Euro.
- Certify artisanal miners in the Northeast. Use Gecamines to do so.
- Build transport links (road or air) to Kisangani where mined materials can be floated down the Congo river, AFTER initial processing.
- Have further processing occur again in Kinshasa. Thus, you have created a value chain.
- From Kinshasa, have the processed materials taken by train to the port of Matadi. Export globally from there.


This would involve substantial capital. It would require:

  • major overhauls of port facilities in Kisangani, Kinshasa and Matadi, the refurbishment of the Matadi-Kinshasa railway

  • purchasing large numbers of barges for transporting minerals from Kisangani to Kinshasa

  • purchasing hundreds of artisanal mines in the northeast

  • buying planes to transport minerals from the mines to Kisangani

  • perhaps most importantly, completely restructuring Gecamines so that it can offer results and accountability.
But the benefits would be massive:

  • large-scale regulated employment for thousands of workers in the northeast, which would result in a huge boon to the local economy

  • Gecamines, as a state-owned company, would be able to heavily contribute to the state budget with mining profits

  • security would improve as regulated extraction and employment undercuts rebel groups, while an improved state budget could (hopefully) improve the quality of the FARDC.

  • increased regulated extraction would undercut the price for non-certified minerals, crippling illegal trade

  • shipping out of the Atlantic rather than through other countries to the Indian Ocean would keep the trade in Congolese hands, and infrastructure investments would have a knock-on effect for other FDI.



Good post.

Btw are you Congolese or African?
 

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After you have facilitated greater expansion of Congo's comparative advantage in minerals, then you can use those funds to inject more resources into agricultural and agro-industry. Also, machine assembly with the hopes that local entrepreneurs learn how to make those machines within a decade or so like how Turkish manufacturers did it or like Nigeria's Innoson is now trying to do.
 

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@MansaMusa Kagame is the root of DRC and much of central/east Africa's problems from what I understand.

Kagame and Museveni are old troublemakers. Honestly, if there were justice in this world they'd be at the Hague. As you said @Poitier, things are murky in Central Africa. I'm not sure how Kagame is still funding Tutsi rebels but he fears the old Interhamwe refugees for obvious reasons. Museveni probably has his hands everywhere.
 

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So you're gonna act like I'm way out of line to want Africans & the diaspora to be able to defend ourselves?
:francis:

NO. Just the fake that you're not clearly reading what I post.

I know people will call me crazy and might neg me, but who gives a crap.

From an African point of view, I would actually WELCOME Chinese military bases, yes WELCOME them in Africa. It would keep Western influence at bay(like it has in Asia), because Western Influence so far has been counter-progressive to African development, and Western nations like France still tries to keep their former colonies as puppets. I would only welcome Chinese bases into Africa as long as China in return keeps developing the infrastructure. Plus most of the African military is too weak to even defend against nations like France(which has threatened to invade African countries like Nigeria). Hell look what happened to Libya.

But I would REALLY like for the DRC to clear up their act and open up relationships with the Chinese so the Chinese can develop their infrastructure. Why? the potential of DRC is damn near TERRIFYING and makes Nigeria's potential look like a joke. I'm talking untouched minerals worth $24 trillion+! The whole worth of the US economy (largest in the world) is $14 trillion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Let me repeat; $24 Trillion+ worth more than the US economy. A developed DRC would be like the second coming of the Mali Empire that had the world in its hands. A developed DRC in a way would be bad for us in the West, just one small example...We would be at the mercy of DRC to even have the computers we are using at this moment or any other computing tech. A DRC pact with China would at least limit Western meddling and would at least develop the infrastructure. The DRC could become a regional(or world) power of Africa.

Again I don't see anything wrong with African nations starting trading or even military pacts with China. China even allows its smaller allies to have nukes(see North Korea). If South Africa or Nigeria were allies with China they would have been had nukes, especially South Africa.

These are just my theories. I can see Chinese military bases(though China only has one in one country in Africa) in Africa making people paranoid, but I all I know is that Africa missed the industrial stage(thanks to the West not developing Africa after colonization) and China is giving them a "shortcut". They can take it or leave it.

Why the heck would China in this situation oppress their business partner/allies????? That's like the USA oppressing South Korea and Japan.:what:
 

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Kagame is more of a problem for the Eastern part of Congo.

But yeah I always considered Rwanda the "Israel" of Africa. And I don't mean that in a positive way.

What happens in the Eastern Congo has tremendous effects on the other part of the country. It was Hutu refugees in the Eastern Congo which started off the first Rwandan invasion.

Rwanda wants to be like Israel. I admire their infiltration strategies/tactics that they used to conquer the Congo. Other than that, their regime is pretty bad. I recommend reading Gerard Prunier's account of the Central African Conflict.
 

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Kagame and Museveni are old troublemakers. Honestly, if there were justice in this world they'd be at the Hague. As you said @Poitier, things are murky in Central Africa. I'm not sure how Kagame is still funding Tutsi rebels but he fears the old Interhamwe refugees for obvious reasons. Museveni probably has his hands everywhere.

I think minerals worth $24 Trillion+ has to do with it...
 
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