Spin: Introduction to Socialism

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

Value and Utility are obscure definitions.

But exploitation isn't

U guys are hiding behind dog whistles and euphemisms like Republicans.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Exploitation is very simple. The worker is treated as a means to an ends in a asymmetric power structure

Do you want a hug? What does this even mean?

 

[BaggerofTea]

Proving your value to others, isn't exploitation.

When others artificially define your value, yes its exploitation

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

Exploitation is very simple. The worker is treated as a means to an ends in a asymmetric power structure

A worker doesn't treat the company they work for as a means to an end? What does that even mean?

 

[BaggerofTea]

So if I take money I've earned, buy a building and all the equipment in it, pay all the utilities and taxes on it, I should have no more say in how the company is operated than someone who has no money in it and will not lose anything besides a paycheck if the business goes under?

You severely underestimate the value of employment

 

[BaggerofTea]

A worker doesn't treat the company they work for as a means to an end? What does that even mean?

The power structure is imbalanced.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

None of those countries have a strong raw material base, thats the bases for industrial output which leads to innovation to make the process more efficient.

oh, so now its about resources, not policy

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

You severely underestimate the value of employment

Value is a subjective, individual judgment between the two parties making the exchange. Unless you can post one, there is no hard and fast formula or rule defining value. I.e. value is defined as what a good trades hands for, period.

I agree that workers' leveraging power is artificially weakened, but not through the lens of irrelevant Marxist agencies and relationships. I.e. owning a company doesn't automatically make one an exploiter and all workers are not underpaid or abused just by the mere act of working for a privately owned company.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

The power structure is imbalanced.

are we talking about power or compensation?



Cause last time i checked, the Costco CEO doesn't make tons of money, but he still runs that bytch

 

[BaggerofTea]

oh, so now its about resources, not policy

It doesn't matter economic theory you subscribe to, if you don't have raw materials to extract. You have no industry. No industry means no motivation for innovation.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

When others artificially define your value, yes its exploitation

Like fiat currency? Like money, it self?

How far down this bullshyt rabbit hole you wanna go?

Ya'll aren't even equipped to engage in this discussion yet use red herrings and straw men to obfuscate the fact you all really dont know much about economic policy or motives of said policies.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

A worker doesn't treat the company they work for as a means to an end? What does that even mean?

Then they'll be the type to have Tony Robbins come in and talk that ambiguous shyt at lunch time

 

[BaggerofTea]

Value is a subjective, individual judgment between the two parties making the exchange. Unless you can post one, there is no hard and fast formula or rule defining value. I.e. value is defined as what a good trades hands for, period.

I agree that workers' leveraging power is artificially weakened, but not through the lens of irrelevant Marxist agencies and relationships. I.e. owning a company doesn't automatically make one an exploiter and all workers are not underpaid or abused just by the mere act of working for a privately owned company.

In a capitalist construct, there is always inherent exploitation due to a corporations main goal to hit the bottom line.

 

[BaggerofTea]

are we talking about power or compensation?



Cause last time i checked, the Costco CEO doesn't make tons of money, but he still runs that bytch

Costco's CEO is one of the few businessmen I respect

 

[BaggerofTea]

Like fiat currency? Like money, it self?

How far down this bullshyt rabbit hole you wanna go?

Ya'll aren't even equipped to engage in this discussion yet use red herrings and straw men to obfuscate the fact you all really dont know much about economic policy or motives of said policies.

You know exactly what the fukk I mean

The value of a worker to a company through financial means