And what is a worker's goal? How is it any more altruistic?
Spin: Introduction to Socialism
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Survival vs Excessive corporate profit.
"Excessive" in your questionably thought out opinion. And companies cannot survive without profit. You have socialists literally proposing for companies to operate at an unsustainable loss as the only "fair" way to treat workers. It's ridiculous.
Whats "unsustainable loss"? Not being able to pay out 9 figures in corporate bonuses and millions upon millions in funding political superpacs?
managing that motivation is economics.
I do not think "socialism" provides enough incentive to manage that, or inspire that.
which you think is artificial.You know exactly what the fukk I mean
The value of a worker to a company through financial means
So back at square one.
You need more value to get paid more. Period.
I would argue that quarterly earnings calls hurt companies and investor demands, but you talking about "excessive" just shows the lack of context you have of what economies of scale are at play here.
Time to End Quarterly Reports, Law Firm Says
The only people making 9 figures in bonuses are people who are in charge of massive companies so its a handful
1. Superpacs need reform
2. Corporate bonuses are only few those that can afford to pay them which is dependent on the size of the company and how much money they make...so even then, even with a few million, they wouldn't increase other workers wages by that much if just spread out like that.
Every company is not some multibillion dollar multinational
And unsustainable loss = going out of business. If a company spends more than it takes in, it's going to go out of business, and take all of those workers' jobs with it. So the interests of the business have to be factored into the equation.
This infantile, binary "us vs them" good guy bad guy bullshyt undermines socialist progress. If you guys just want to pontificate and masturbate to Marx then you can stay in your bubble. But if socialism is really going to take a hold in the real world the people pushing it have to have some working understanding of the world they are trying to sell socialism to. Screaming vague platitudes about "exploitation" is not going to cut the mustard with anybody intelligent
No its not. If Norway wasn't blessed with oil deposits, they'd be another portugal
Sweden? They had to lower taxes and they STILL can't get enough domestic growth.
Finland? Another basket case.
Some of ya'll take this shyt too far.
Even in Denmark, people say the amount they pay in taxes just isn't worth the marginal benefits they get.
Not every country is Germany
what the fukk are you talking about?
Sweden has been doing better recovering since the recession than the US, UK and Germany. they've been exceeding all forecasts 
every economy has ups and downs. the facts are that on nearly every social indicator these countries are better than us and it's not going to stop any time soon no matter what uninformed shyt you continue to spew across these boards.
what the fukk are you talking about?
every economy has ups and downs. the facts are that on nearly every social indicator these countries are better than us and it's not going to stop any time soon no matter what uninformed shyt you continue to spew across these boards.
IMF Survey : Sweden’s Economy is Robust, but Faces Challenges in Housing, Labor Markets
Bit unfair to Late Trotsky here. Lev came around to supporting active democracy both within and without the party.
It wasn't my path but I do find this to be true. Maoism has some big flaws and I've never been particularly interested in it but most black communists/socialists I meet atleast get there through Mao inspired stuff and third world struggle. I've never really studied it but the Frankfurt school also is supposedly good for similar reasons in its relevance to American life relative to Marx and Lenin.
Brehs, I'm gonna need some insight into how the working class can win its freedom when such a large majority of the class is mystified by bourgeois ideas on the economy, racism, homophobia, sexism, etc. The more information becomes available, the dumber people getHow could barely literate Russians in the early 1900s come to realize that they were getting royally fukked and tried to fight to establish a different society, yet we have the world's information at our fingertips and a multitude of ways to see all the ways we're getting screwed, but still perpetuate the system?
The subtlety of wage exploitation is the difference here, The longstanding agricultural exploitation of feudalism in Russia provided a huge majority of effectively sympathetic citizens upon which a radicalized industrial proletariat, which was very centralized in two cities, could build. This is a common theme in most places socialist revolution has occurred.
You can see this in the U.S. as well even. The strongest times for the left was when there was still a large portion of small agriculture workers and quasi feudal relations to large landholders.
No its not. If Norway wasn't blessed with oil deposits, they'd be another portugal
Sweden? They had to lower taxes and they STILL can't get enough domestic growth.
Finland? Another basket case.
Some of ya'll take this shyt too far.
Even in Denmark, people say the amount they pay in taxes just isn't worth the marginal benefits they get.
Not every country is Germany
You're so disingenuous it's ridiculous. Social democratic parties have lost voters to populist parties which basically promise social democracy, but only for natives.
There was literally a poll in Finland last year asking if Finns would support even higher taxes to maintain the welfare state, like 90% support. Scandinavians love the welfare state. They have issues with an aging population, which is solvable with increased immigration but is in part driving an uptick in nativism. It's contentious but not a real issue until any nativist party or party that actually wants to dismantle the welfare state(which no major right party in Scandinavia wants to do) actually leads a government. The welfare states are popular and not going anywhere.
did you just google "sweden economy problems" and copy pasted what you first saw?first you said: "they STILL can't get enough domestic growth." and i showed you that they have more than enough growth and are in fact the fastest growing economy in the developed world.
now you bringing up housing and labor issues they face like every other economy. just quit talking about shyt you don't know
it's nothing wrong with acknowledging your own ignorance I didn't say that they were unpopular. I said they're undergoing reforms and are currently facing existential crises from funding and implementation
www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/65438762-6fef-11e4-a0c4-00144feabdc0.html The End of Nordic Illusions
search my post history. i' have entire threads on this topic.
first you said: "they STILL can't get enough domestic growth." and i showed you that they have more than enough growth and are in fact the fastest growing economy in the developed world.
now you bringing up housing and labor issues they face like every other economy. just quit talking about shyt you don't know
The nordic model is going t*ts up...with tons of data and insight.