SPIN: Let's Establish A List Of Albums With Classic Impact That Didnt Have Classic Quality

[Wacky D]

Gillie himself said he never wrote bars for Wayne, even The Sqad who were beefing with Wayne at the time said Wayne never got help and they were around when he recorded it. Even if that were true, I'm guessing Doggystyle isn't a classic either?

As far as the Ti and Jeezy comment...Trick doesn't have one album fukking with either one of them shyts stop it. He came up in an era where P and Juvenile being two of the games biggest stars and was a benchwarmer outside of Nann nikka, not to mention he dropped an album in the same era and made nowhere near as much noise as Tip or Jeezy.

not this again.

gillie was a known ghostwriter breh. he was f*ckin up his money by exposing wayne.

like I said, I knew gillie wrote most of that album, like a year or two before gillie came out and said it. I could care less about what the sqad claims that they didn't see. and they claim wayne never got any help when his whole chit sounded exactly like watered-down gillie. everything about that album. not to mention, wayne wasn't spittin on that level before or afterwards. LOL. just admit you werent familiar with gillie before the scandal dog.

snoop wrote his raps on doggystyle, as far as I know. DOC taught him how to structure bars & such.

I don't know where youre going with the master p & juvenile comments, cuz P and juvi were way bigger than tip & jeezy. and the south was much better in the '90s.

trick daddy was old school by the time tip & jeezy blew up. its not fair to compare his mid-00s stuff to them.
and regardless of where you rank the prime trick daddy albums, its not even just about that when talking about relevance. its about breaking thru. tip & jeezy didn't have any songs that would've broke thru in the '90s like "nann nikka"
you gotta remember, youre comparing an era of southern rappers that broke the mold to an era of southern rappers that simply looked like gold compared to the crunk & snap crap that preceeded them.

 

[Wacky D]

"tha block is hot" is arguably better than carter 2.

how did TBIH work out for wayne in the '90s?

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

"tha block is hot" is arguably better than carter 2.

how did TBIH work out for wayne in the '90s?

The album debuted at number 3 on the US Billboard 200 chart, selling 229,500 copies in its first week, and selling 117,000 copies in its second week. On December 10, 1999, the album was certified platinum by the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) for sales of over one million copies in the United States. As of June 2012, the album has sold over 1.4 million copies in the United States.


Seemed to work out perfectly.... but better than carter 2.... nah

 

[Wacky D]

The album debuted at number 3 on the US Billboard 200 chart, selling 229,500 copies in its first week, and selling 117,000 copies in its second week. On December 10, 1999, the album was certified platinum by the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) for sales of over one million copies in the United States. As of June 2012, the album has sold over 1.4 million copies in the United States.

..............and most people didn't take him seriously. and his next 2 outings were struggles.

this is why you don't use sales as a barometer.

 

[Yagirlcheatinonus]

Marshall Mathers 'LP

 

[jelanitsunami]

Life after Death is one of the greatest rap albums of all time IMO so i disagree with that one. 2001 gets weak towards the end of the album but it's still a classic to me and sounds better sonically than 99 percent of rap albums that have ever dropped. Not even gonna front as cheesy as the shiny suit era was i absolutely love Harlem World. No Way Out is cool but i agree it isn't a classic. GRODT literally borders the criteria for this topic but it's still good enough for me to call it a definitive classic.

Also can we stop acting like there aren't tiers when it comes to classics? Chris Mullin and Magic Johnson are both Hall Of Famers but they obviosuly weren't the same caliber of player and the same can be said for albums. Lost Boyz "Legal Drug Money" might not be the same tier as classic as "The Blueprint" but it doesn't mean that it isn't a classic. However that's a discussion for another thread.

here are my personal choices for the criteria you listed:

Marshall Mathers LP-i was only 5 when this dropped so obviously i didn't hear this until a few years ago but i just don't get it. It's a good album but it's not as good as SSLP IMO and the celebrity references and production style have aged like milk. First few songs are great and "The Way I Am" is my favorite Em song ever but after that it becomes hit or miss towards the end. I get why it's considered a classic though Em was like his own planet at the time.

All Eyez On Me-Good album but they inserted some filler to make it a double disc CD (which was an obvious cash grab). 7 Day Theory is without a doubt Pac's best album IMO. But again, I was born in 95 so I didn't get to live through when this came out and develop any sentimental value to it but it just hasn't aged as well as other albums from that year like ATLiens and Reasonable Doubt that I can listen to as someone that was an infant when they dropped and enjoy.

Purple Haze-SDE and Diplomatic Immunity 1 are personal classics (I still haven't heard the full version of Come Home Wit Me because half of it isn't available for streaming) but this album is a bit underwhelming. There are several CLASSIC KIlla songs on here but there are others that are clearly dated and haven't aged well at all. This has also become the album that hipsters always run to in order to verify their Cam fandom and sound cool even though it's probably his third best project. Definitely not a album though.

 

[Wacky D]

Also can we stop acting like there aren't tiers when it comes to classics? Chris Mullin and Magic Johnson are both Hall Of Famers but they obviosuly weren't the same caliber of player and the same can be said for albums. Lost Boyz "Legal Drug Money" might not be the same tier as classic as "The Blueprint" but it doesn't mean that it isn't a classic. However that's a discussion for another thread.

yea there are def different tiers of classics.

the albums I listed tho, I just don't view them as classics at all.

as far as that comparison goes, I have the blueprint ranked amongst some of the lowest tiers of classic. kind of a borderline classic really.

 

[jelanitsunami]

yea there are def different tiers of classics.

the albums I listed tho, I just don't view them as classics at all.

as far as that comparison goes, I have the blueprint ranked amongst some of the lowest tiers of classic. kind of a borderline classic really.

I respect your opinion. BP is arguably my favorite rap album ever but everyone likes what they like.

 

[mrken12]

Is this whole "GRODT isn't a classic" a fukking practical joke? Every song is an absolute smash.

I'm not sure when people suddenly stopped liking GRODT. Almost every song on the album was great.

@Wacky D is one of the GOAT Booth posters +rep

He's terrible in every section on here.

 

[Higher Tech]

F*CK THAT ALBUM. I still want my money back from that fraud chit.

I think you hate that album the way dudes hated Nas It Was Written. It was a dope album but wasn't nearly as raw and gritty. I love Life after Death, but it's a lot different from Ready to Die.

 

[Wacky D]

wow @ so many people vouching for that tacky ass dr dre 2001 album.

dre looked like my pop up there tryna rap. a stiff ass version of my pop on top of that. then you had all the corny guest features and the overall feel of the album was just so outdated at the time.

I understand why west coasters love it, and I see that some people were really young when this was out and are looking at the sales. but man, this was one of the most disappointing releases ever in real-time. that album that people went out and supported but it ended up collecting dust. I always just saw white kids & corny nikkas that cant dress rockin out to this on THAT level.

 

[Wacky D]

I think you hate that album the way dudes hated Nas It Was Written. It was a dope album but wasn't nearly as raw and gritty. I love Life after Death, but it's a lot different from Ready to Die.

nah. I'm all for the glossiness actually.

the quality of the overall album just wasn't that great. extremely overrated for obvious reasons. then to add insult to injury, I spent a whopping $30 on it. that's like $100 to me in real-time at that age.

felt the same way about IWW. except my bul found a copy, and I didn't go out and buy it like LAD.

but i'll say that IWW sounds better with time, altho it still gives off the feeling that making it was sort of a struggle. half of it still has that clunky feel as well. if he wasn't NAS, I doubt so many people would be going back trying to crown it as a classic in hindsight.

 

[Higher Tech]

nah. I'm all for the glossiness actually.

the quality of the overall album just wasn't that great. extremely overrated.

touche'
Different strokes.

 

[NYtymes]

life after death and grodt not classics?

 

[Wacky D]

life after death and grodt not classics?

nope