Spin: Why doesn't society ask young men why they've checked out?

[Yzak]

Because there's a system at play meant to demoralize men and women thus making them more docile and compliant. Thing is, it's basically a runaway system from the CIA culture war against Black people.

If you discuss the demoralized men, you'd have to admit the the largest group is Black men and it's been targeted.

 

[™BlackPearl The Empress™]

Any old job. If you can work less and still be able to support a family great. I suppose there should be some qualifiers on family size and other things but providing basic family needs shouldn't be an issue if someone works that much.

Sounds good but unfortunately nature doesn't work where everyone gets a prize just for participation.

The only reason that was ever really a thing was because of oppression and racism.

We'd have to build up our community and provided a lot of equality among women as well to make that happen but something tells me the majority of you are only talking about having that for BM.

 

[Premeditated]

that because young men have let themselves down with lack of motivation and progression

they see all these women their age getting the same type of salary they get

seeing as in society, men are suppose to be the providers, but you can't provide if your are making practically the same salary

 

[cyndaquil]

Sounds good but unfortunately nature doesn't work where everyone gets a prize just for participation.

The only reason that was ever really a thing was because of oppression and racism.

We'd have to build up our community and provided a lot of equality among women as well to make that happen but something tells me the majority of you are only talking about having that for BM.

But that's the thing we dont live in nature. We live in a society. We decide the rules of it and utilize it to give us goods beyond what naturally can be provided to us People only think otherwise because that's how they have been conditioned to think. In terms of winners and losers. America is the most wealthy country on Earth.
We have more than enough resources available to end poverty in this country and allow everyone in this country the chance to start and support a family. We're primarily talking about men in here because that's who the thread was focused on. Why young men feel dejected. But this would be something that transcends gender. You work your 40 hours a week then you can afford to feed and house your family without being impoverished

 

[™BlackPearl The Empress™]

But that's the thing we dont live in nature. We live in a society. We decide the rules of it and utilize it to give us goods beyond what naturally can be provided to us People only think otherwise because that's how they have been conditioned to think. In terms of winners and losers. America is the most wealthy country on Earth.
We have more than enough resources available to end poverty in this country and allow everyone in this country the chance to start and support a family. We're primarily talking about men in here because that's who the thread was focused on. Why young men feel dejected. But this would be something that transcends gender. You work your 40 hours a week then you can afford to feed and house your family without being impoverished

If we have so much control then why is there an issue in the first place?

Again sounds good but we're waiting on that utopia to apply.

 

[cyndaquil]

If we have so much control then why is there an issue in the first place?

Again sounds good but we're waiting on that utopia to apply.

It wouldn't be a utopia. Just because poverty doesn't exist does not mean it's a utopia. There would still be inequality, racism, sexism, crime, etc. We have many other issues besides this to work on if this one was fixed.
And the reason why there is an issue in the first place is because of this:

American society suffers from a sickness and it has permeated our community because we are American. Black Americans have been here just as long as white Americans we are the other side of the coin. We have been here and had our culture shaped by the various events in American history as well. So when I say this it applies to us to an extent as well. The sickness is we are country that promotes individualism and privacy but live in a society that rewards cooperation and socialization. Its backwards. In other words to succeed easier you have to work together with people for a common goal but American culture promotes looking out for yourself only

 

[Dwayne_Taylor]

But that's the thing we dont live in nature. We live in a society. We decide the rules of it and utilize it to give us goods beyond what naturally can be provided to us People only think otherwise because that's how they have been conditioned to think. In terms of winners and losers. America is the most wealthy country on Earth.
We have more than enough resources available to end poverty in this country and allow everyone in this country the chance to start and support a family. We're primarily talking about men in here because that's who the thread was focused on. Why young men feel dejected. But this would be something that transcends gender. You work your 40 hours a week then you can afford to feed and house your family without being impoverished

Here is FDR on living wage. It's crazy how corporate media has changed how people think this country is supposed to work.

"It seems to me to be equally plain that no business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country. By "business" I mean the whole of commerce as well as the whole of industry; by workers I mean all workers, the white collar class as well as the men in overalls; and by living wages I mean more than a bare subsistence level-I mean the wages of decent living."

 

[™BlackPearl The Empress™]

It wouldn't be a utopia. Just because poverty doesn't exist does not mean it's a utopia. There would still be inequality, racism, sexism, crime, etc. We have many other issues besides this to work on if this one was fixed.
And the reason why there is an issue in the first place is because of this:

Again, the world you are speaking of only existed for WP, and that was due to racism, sexism and oppression.

You want the same environment to exist for everyone while there is still racism, sexism and oppression.

I would love for you to explain how you worked through that unless you have an alternate group you'd like to oppress.

 

[™BlackPearl The Empress™]

Here is FDR on living wage. It's crazy how corporate media has changed how people think this country is supposed to work.

"It seems to me to be equally plain that no business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country. By "business" I mean the whole of commerce as well as the whole of industry; by workers I mean all workers, the white collar class as well as the men in overalls; and by living wages I mean more than a bare subsistence level-I mean the wages of decent living."

I guess ya'll wanna ignore the fundamentals of capitalism.

 

[Dwayne_Taylor]

I guess ya'll wanna ignore the fundamentals of capitalism.

FDR wasn't capitalist? I think you mean corporate greed

 

[Makavalli]

Because feminist framing rules academia, politics, and media; and for all feminist lip service around the patriarchy harming men/women's role in enforcing it as well, it isn't something that manifests in dialogue.

Men get knocked over the head with a bat that says bootstraps.

I got this reply the other day, on another site around that accountability conversation.

This is the logic we're dealing.

"Black women are not the ones recruiting your black boys into the streets and into gangs. Black women are not the pioneers of gangster wrap glorifying killing black men and boys, and making fast money in the streets. Black women aren’t over represented in the prison system, and they aren’t the ones whose college enrollment numbers keep declining. Black men don’t get to be absent from the home and then complain about how the children are turning out. Black girls and boys are growing up in the same environments, but black girls are doing better on most metrics. At what point do black men start taking accountability for their own actions?"

Wow so they are ignoring systemic racism that purposely put black men in jail or kill them with impunity but thats somehow our fault? I dont give a fukk bout white men but black people as a whole got to move pass the propaganda and come together because we are stronger that way. All it took was one generation for them to dissolve the black household and unity.

We see whats happening with latinos who followed maga talking points and got screwed. Even all those black women that lost government jobs.
Its divide and conquer so when a group gets picked off the others sit back and laugh like they not next

 

[cyndaquil]

Again, the world you are speaking of only existed for WP, and that was due to racism, sexism and oppression.

You want the same environment to exist for everyone while there is still racism, sexism and oppression.

I would love for you to explain how you worked through that unless you have an alternate group you'd like to oppress.

I dont want for the same environment to exist it would be different. This is a solution to one problem. Solving the issue of poverty in this country by closing the wealth gap a bit and raising the floor on our standard of living would not exterminate racism, sexism, and oppression but it might reduce it. The top 1% hold 30% of the country's total wealth while the bottom 50% only hold 2.6% of it right? While 11.8% of the country lives in poverty. We can absolutely and set regulatory guildelines and social safety nets to drastically reduce that 11.8% from poverty and improve the lives of the bottom 50% as a whole.

 

[JNew]

Lol if you don't see the writing on the wall your never will.

When in history has a group of single men ever not been a problem? Whats gonna happen in another 10 years when gen alpha boys are single and you have a huge majority of single me. With no jobs and no future? Covid lock down was just a glimpse.

 

[Cloutius Maximus]

Lol if you don't see the writing on the wall your never will.

When in history has a group of single men ever not been a problem? Whats gonna happen in another 10 years when gen alpha boys are single and you have a huge majority of single me. With no jobs and no future? Covid lock down was just a glimpse.

I think when shyt really gets ugly it will facilitate the split in the United States i.e. red states will become more Christofascist and Handmaids Tale esque to appease bytchless cacs. Blue states will lean into vice economy and decriminalize prostitution.

Brothels like they used to have back in the Wild West will become a thing again. A whole empty house will be dedicated to running hoes and a middle aged broad with a sleeve tattoo will be the Madam.

 

[JNew]

I think when shyt really gets ugly it will facilitate the split in the United States i.e. red states will become more Christofascist and Handmaids Tale esque to appease bytchless cacs. Blue states will lean into vice economy and decriminalize prostitution.

Brothels like they used to have back in the Wild West will become a thing again. A whole empty house will be dedicated to running hoes and a middle aged broad with a sleeve tattoo will be the Madam.

Yep. Add in yall have to "buy" into America (IE if you dont own land yall be a wage slave living in the city), and the dystopia begins. Will become like a middle east country. I think thoe racism will begin to fade out, will turn into a class society like india and I only say this because white women the front runners of feminism will be infertile. I say this because I live in a very "influential" neighborhood, in a influtiona city men with grey hair and wealth will become prizes in the next 30 years during this transistion from 25-2055. Most couples with alot of kids are all biracial. Then you have bunch of single white women in their 30s now. The social justice waterever wars is done, where entering the age of Heros. Think the 1940s-1950s era thats where were headed.

But its really the only way, theirs a reason its the oldest profession. They already legalized weed as a vice and prostitution will be next in the next decade. Its the only way to keep America from falling into complete decay, other wise we have a bunch of rouge men and women walking around.