Spin: Why doesn't society ask young men why they've checked out?

[Neuromancer]

Personally I’m tired of everything being considered “trauma” or given some label as some sort of condition the person has.

And no slight to the OP, he’s a solid poster, but this thread is an example of it. What is all this “checked out” crap?

There was a time when 12 year old Black boys had the same daily responsibilities of a full grown man(such as driving, operating heavy equipment, hunting, etc.) and didn’t shed a tear.

These days it’s “aww, he must be suffering from unhealed trauma that’s why he doesn’t want to work and prefers to order DoorDash. Someone needs to ask him why he’s checked out .”

And I’m just like gtfoh with this bs

These are BOYS, soon to be MEN. Start treating them like that and they’ll follow suit.

But instead, people want to argue that it’s okay for the little boy to go play with Barbie dolls and for him to kiss his mommy in the mouth. Then when he’s 21 years old and worthless you’re sitting there wondering why this boy has no desire to build, create, or provide.

And then the solution is, “a therapist needs to ask him why is he checked out”, whatever “checked out” is supposed to mean.

Mofo needs get sent to the military or something foh with this coddling and therapeutic bs.

Put your foot up his behind like you should’ve done when he was a child and stop pacifying the poor fella.

I don’t know. I probably sound harsh to yall. Maybe I’m just too out of touch with these days and times man.

I understand what you're saying. But I don't think this always works. Are men humans? Are boys humans? If so then they can't negate human emotions. That's not a logical response. The brain has not changed how it works, the problem is humans weren't smart enough to understand how it functioned until the last few decades. You can put your boot in their ass and end up with a school shooter or a shooter at fort hood. A wash out who goes on to turn the gun on others. That's not what we want. The old ways led to dudes taking their anger out on their families and the community. That's not really helpful.

 

[Ray D’Angelo Harris]

I understand what you're saying. But I don't think this always works. Are men humans? Are boys humans? If so then they can't negate human emotions. That's not a logical response. The brain has not changed how it works, the problem is humans weren't smart enough to understand how it functioned until the last few decades. You can put your boot in their ass and end up with a school shooter or a shooter at fort hood. A wash out who goes on to turn the gun on others. That's not what we want. The old ways led to dudes taking their anger out on their families and the community. That's not really helpful.

So basically the future Black men of America are just cooked

 

[Neuromancer]

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We’re f*cked huh breh

No we're not fukked. I think a marriage of the two ideas must happen. You can be stern but empathetic. We want these brehs to succeed and grow. We expect great things out of them. But we must be aware not to push them too hard. Sharpen don't break. We are human just like women are human. But we can function at a different level than women can and vice versa. We need to find that level and hone it. Like an arrow.

 

[SNG]

So basically the future Black men of America are just cooked

It’s been cooked since the nuclear family was broken in our community. When you have kids having them raised under a two parent home is vital. All this gender wars shyt is chickens coming home to roost in our community. Let the social media, porn and videgames take over pacifying nikkaz from the real shyt and you see how easy it is to checkout when you have dopamine in the palm of yours hands when before you had to work for it. This society wants men pacified so it’s easier to control them.

 

[Neuromancer]

Double

 

[UnQuantized]

They don't ask because they don't care. Everyone just wants to talk at young men instead of listening. Even if you share your experiences, your experiences are dismissed...."that doesn't happen" Ok back to the video games, don't be mad when some of them snap and crash out.

 

[Savvir]

There have been numerous studies on this exact issue…

These dudes have been asked why hella times for years… the damn data proves they’ve been asked

This thread is based on a false premise

The social media comments on the issues are from people who don’t care and just want clicks

/thread

 

[Belize King]

It’s been cooked since the nuclear family was broken in our community. When you have kids having them raised under a two parent home is vital. All this gender wars shyt is chickens coming home to roost in our community. Let the social media, porn and videgames take over pacifying nikkaz from the real shyt and you see how easy it is to checkout when you have dopamine in the palm of yours hands when before you had to work for it.

When did we ever have a nuclear family though? We were “freed” in the 1860’s. Many men fought in the war and died.

I guess we were a family from the sharecropping days until the 60’s? Vietnam, heroine, and crack destroyed what was the “nuclear” family. Now we have women raise men to the best of their ability.

Women are slowly getting smarter and protecting their eggs. Men are becoming more discerning with their seed.

At the end of the day, you are the provider of the next generation. What you do with your individual children helps decide their future.

shytty people create children who don’t receive the tools to be a productive people.

 

[Neuromancer]

They don't ask because they don't care. Everyone just wants to talk at young men instead of listening. Even if you share your experiences, your experiences are dismissed...."that doesn't happen" Ok back to the video games, don't be mad when some of them snap and crash out.

I was looking for studies with quotes from actual participants but a lot of it seems like they observed them in a room and not like the interacted with them.

Teens and Video Games Today

85% of U.S. teens say they play video games. They see both positive and negative sides, from making friends to harassment and sleep loss.

www.pewresearch.org

Young Men Are Playing Video Games Instead of Getting Jobs. That's OK. (For Now.)

Video games, like work, are basically a series of quests comprised of mundane and repetitive tasks: Receive an assignment, travel to a location, overcome

reason.com

It seems all very sterile.

 

[Illuminatos]

The only men they care about is some faq or sissy cosplaying a woman.

 

[djthegreat88]

Lack of real motivation and goals is crazy. Grown men with no direction and just accepting it. No college, no trade, no military. Literally sit around all day in their parent’s house on the internet or playing video games. Reason why Trump and his dumbass fan base is gaining in this demo. They are literal bums and too stupid to realize it because they’re not educated. So they just blame others for circumstances. They’re addicted to porn/social media and aren’t capable of holding real conversations or getting play from women and barely trying. They pay money to watch other people have fun online. Every other awkward person is being labeled with ADHD or on the spectrum

 

[SNG]

When did we ever have a nuclear family though? We were “freed” in the 1860’s. Many men fought in the war and died.

I guess we were a family from the sharecropping days until the 60’s? Vietnam, heroine, and crack destroyed what was the “nuclear” family. Now we have women raise men to the best of their ability.

Women are slowly getting smarter and protecting their eggs. Men are becoming more discerning with their seed.

At the end of the day, you are the provider of the next generation. What you do with your individual children helps decide their future.

shytty people create children who don’t receive the tools to be a productive people.

Ok but 60 -70 percent of children having children out of wedlock ain’t doing us any favors. Atleast blacks tried to better the black family dynamic when we were segregated. Both Men and Women need each other in this world. I agree that it’s good that both men and women are becoming more discerning with their seed. But I feel especially for the younger generations men and women are more fearful in creating relationships.

 

[SNG]

Lack of real motivation and goals is crazy. Grown men with no direction and just accepting it. No college, no trade, no military. Literally sit around all day in their parent’s house on the internet or playing video games. Reason why Trump and his dumbass fan base is gaining in this demo. They are literal bums and too stupid to realize it because they’re not educated. So they just blame others for circumstances. They’re addicted to porn/social media and aren’t capable of holding real conversations or getting play from women and barely trying. They pay money to watch other people have fun online. Every other awkward person is being labeled with ADHD or on the spectrum

This and it’s sad because some of these guys are educated but companies hire based on how well you fit in a company. Which means do you have social skills and are not a hermit. A lot of these dudes don’t have social skills and don’t know how to talk to people unless it’s a topic of interest which could be deemed to others as some as some spectrum shyt.

The crazy thing is we are living in a time where you have all this information at your disposal and basically can fake shyt until you make it but a lot men waste it on social media, porn and video games. The amount of free books you have to learn anything you want its a shame that we aren’t putting it to use and get majority of information from social media.

 

[Dwayne_Taylor]

I feel like the right and left have all of these think pieces on why young men do what they do but no one ever asks young men why. It's like being examined under a microscope at times.

What's the deal with this ?

Also, I feel like they don't ask because they already know why; both sides created the conditions that cause men to fall behind, especially outsourcing blue and white collar labor, centering girls in education, etc

 

[Neuromancer]

Lack of real motivation and goals is crazy. Grown men with no direction and just accepting it. No college, no trade, no military. Literally sit around all day in their parent’s house on the internet or playing video games. Reason why Trump and his dumbass fan base is gaining in this demo. They are literal bums and too stupid to realize it because they’re not educated. So they just blame others for circumstances. They’re addicted to porn/social media and aren’t capable of holding real conversations or getting play from women and barely trying. They pay money to watch other people have fun online. Every other awkward person is being labeled with ADHD or on the spectrum

I think you're in the wrong thread.