Spin: Why doesn't society ask young men why they've checked out?

[cyndaquil]

Also, I feel like they don't ask because they already know why; both sides created the conditions that cause men to fall behind, especially outsourcing blue and white collar labor, centering girls in education, etc

Yes well let's look at what changed:
1. The American dream is dying. You cant come here with nothing and work and buy a house and support a family and live middle class lifestyle anymore
2. Women have embraced independence, no longer do they "need" a man for anything. If they do they'll just pay someone
3. Everything has become much more expensive. If you aren't the least bit ambitious you will struggle. No more working as a mattress salesman and being able to afford a 3 bedroom house
4. People are now constant bombarded with images of lifestyles and people that they would have never seen or known due to social media. This deflated their perception of their own life and leads to feelings of inadequacy. Now suddenly your 6/10 girlfriend isn't enough. Your Honda civic needs to be a BMW M3. Likewise if you're dating the women are constantly demanding superficial things like 6'2, fit, six figure earning men, with their own place, big dikks, and handsome etc. Because the perception that they don't need men for anything else anymore and a loss of emphasis on love

All this stuff compounds and when they see and feel how much is stacked against them, they give up. Not everybody is cut out to work at Google, be a big time lawyer, a successful ceo or entrepreneur or doctor. We need men who work regular jobs with pride and give them access to opportunities too. Otherwise this will continue

 

[SNG]

Yes well let's look at what changed:
1. The American dream is dying. You cant come here with nothing and work and buy a house and support a family and live middle class lifestyle anymore
2. Women have embraced independence, no longer do they "need" a man for anything. If they do they'll just pay someone
3. Everything has become much more expensive. If you aren't the least bit ambitious you will struggle. No more working as a mattress salesman and being able to afford a 3 bedroom house
4. People are now constant bombarded with images of lifestyles and people that they would have never seen or known due to social media. This deflated their perception of their own life and leads to feelings of inadequacy. Now suddenly your 6/10 girlfriend isn't enough. Your Honda civic needs to be a BMW M3. Likewise if you're dating the women are constantly demanding superficial things like 6'2, fit, six figure earning men, with their own place, big dikks, and handsome etc. Because the perception that they don't need men for anything else anymore and a loss of emphasis on love

All this stuff compounds and when they see and feel how much is stacked against them, they give up. Not everybody is cut out to work at Google, be a big time lawyer, a successful ceo or entrepreneur or doctor. We need men who work regular jobs with pride and give them access to opportunities too. Otherwise this will continue

The crazy thing about this is black men can create opportunities for each other to prosper. But a lot of us want to be our own boss. All these Coli 6 figure six cert nikkaz up in here and they ain’t working together in investing or starting up they own retirement homes or funeral homes together.

 

[cyndaquil]

The crazy thing about this is black men can create opportunities for each other to prosper. But a lot of us want to be our own boss. All these Coli 6 figure six cert nikkaz up in here and they ain’t working together in investing or starting up they own retirement homes or funeral homes together.

American society suffers from a sickness and it has permeated our community because we are American. Black Americans have been here just as long as white Americans we are the other side of the coin. We have been here and had our culture shaped by the various events in American history as well. So when I say this it applies to us to an extent as well. The sickness is we are country that promotes individualism and privacy but live in a society that rewards cooperation and socialization. Its backwards. In other words to succeed easier you have to work together with people for a common goal but American culture promotes looking out for yourself only

 

[Ski Mask]

Cause any answer that doesn't start with "misogyny" or they arent trying hard enough in a system that is meant to have losers, isnt going to be accepted.

 

[SNG]

American society suffers from a sickness and it has permeated our community because we are American. Black Americans have been here just as long as white Americans we are the other side of the coin. We have been here and had our culture shaped by the various events in American history as well. So when I say this it applies to us to an extent as well. The sickness is we are country that promotes individualism and privacy but live in a society that rewards cooperation and socialization. Its backwards. In other words to succeed easier you have to work together with people for a common goal but American culture promotes looking out for yourself only

I agree but this mindset needs to be improved because everything is up for sale if you have the capital. Blacks may not have much put pooling resources to have a foot into infrastructure which is desperately needed could help. This is why Asians are ahead of the game. Cacs still do emergency meetings while we here going to war with everyone in our group and outside of us. I know critical thinking is becoming lost but this where you can see opportunities in the madness.

 

[cyndaquil]

Cause any answer that doesn't start with "misogyny" or they arent trying hard enough in a system that is meant to have losers, isnt going to be accepted.

See that's the key thing. Society does not have to have "winners" and "losers" these are arbitrary definitions decided upon due to the influence of capitalism. We have more than enough wealth in this country so that the "losers" can afford to have a home and a family. With the advent of technological advancements like AI and automated manufacturing should mean more efficiency and things becoming cheaper not more expensive. We're creating robot slaves which we will not have to pay to perform necessary tasks to produce goods within society yet things are becoming more expensive? That doesnt make any sense. But it does once you realize that a select few are stealing from us. Of course we could come together and stop it by working together but the culture is too individualistic and selfish to do so

 

[Sonic Boom of the South]

Op just flat out make up nonexistent phenomenon. Millions of articles and news stories throughout the decades about this very topic.

Y'all such fukking red pill cry babies. Op post history stay on some cry baby ass shyt.

 

[SNG]

See that's the key thing. Society does not have to have "winners" and "losers" these are arbitrary definitions decided upon due to the influence of capitalism. We have more than enough wealth in this country so that the "losers" can afford to have a home and a family. With the advent of technological advancements like AI and automated manufacturing should mean more efficiency and things becoming cheaper not more expensive. We're creating robot slaves which we will not have to pay to perform necessary tasks to produce goods within society yet things are becoming more expensive? That doesnt make any sense. But it does once you realize that a select few are stealing from us. Of course we could come together and stop it by working together but the culture is too individualistic and selfish to do so

The first team or management position you will see in your life is your family. I think when it comes to who plays the role of the boss or supervisor should vary with each relationship. Some women maybe better leaders than some men and that’s ok. We get caught up with what gender is doing what and that’s our issue. Gender roles is not really a thing in the black community and both genders like to use that shyt when it’s convenient to them.

 

[FTBS]

One day people will understand that patriarcy, mysogyny, sexism, capitalism etc are only intended to benefit rich white men. Men that arent rich and white have no stake in any of that shyt but stay riding for it. Its the entire basis of the redpill manoshpere grift.

Rich white men are getting it how they always have. A lot of the advantages men used to be afforded (women cant do shyt on their own, making a good living witout much education or training) are gone. The things that traditionally have made you a man are more and more out of reach. So your average man is all too often forced to choose between with working his ass off and barely making ends meet, piling up debt, and getting limited if any female attention or being and lazy and living off some broad (mom or girlfriend) in an extended state of adolecence.

 

[TripleAgent]

Because they already know the answer.

 

[cyndaquil]

The first team or management position you will see in your life is your family. I think when it comes to who plays the role of the boss or supervisor should vary with each relationship. Some women maybe better leaders than some men and that’s ok. We get caught up with what gender is doing what and that’s our issue. Gender roles is not really a thing in the black community and both genders like to use that shyt when it’s convenient to them.

Let's break it down. With gender wars what are the main talking points from both sides with regards to this stuff?

 

[Dallas' 4 Eva]

Personally I’m tired of everything being considered “trauma” or given some label as some sort of condition the person has.

And no slight to the OP, he’s a solid poster, but this thread is an example of it. What is all this “checked out” crap?

There was a time when 12 year old Black boys had the same daily responsibilities of a full grown man(such as driving, operating heavy equipment, hunting, etc.) and didn’t shed a tear.

These days it’s “aww, he must be suffering from unhealed trauma that’s why he doesn’t want to work and prefers to order DoorDash. Someone needs to ask him why he’s checked out .”

And I’m just like gtfoh with this bs

These are BOYS, soon to be MEN. Start treating them like that and they’ll follow suit.

But instead, people want to argue that it’s okay for the little boy to go play with Barbie dolls and for him to kiss his mommy in the mouth. Then when he’s 21 years old and worthless you’re sitting there wondering why this boy has no desire to build, create, or provide.

And then the solution is, “a therapist needs to ask him why is he checked out”, whatever “checked out” is supposed to mean

Mofo needs get sent to the military or something foh with this coddling and therapeutic bs. Put yo foot up his behind like you should’ve done when he was a child and stop pacifying the poor fella.

I don’t know. I probably sound harsh to yall. Maybe I’m just too out of touch with these days and times man.

You not being too tough, they just a bunch of mama's boys who been coddled they whole life. I was raised by men, men who were in the military and were in the trades(my dad was a lineman before he became a network engineer, my grandad and uncle were plumbers and HVAC techs(shoutout @cheek100 I know how hard those two masters licenses you got are cause my kinfolk did it.) my other uncle an electrician. Real men who did men's work and did man shyt. Call it toxic all you want but it's the truth, these new dudes not raised that way. Even in my house growing up I had 3 older brothers, no sisters. House full of testosterone. No excuses, either you succeed or you don't cause nobody cares about the excuses. If you get hit, fight back better not run to mama or you gonna get beat harder later. I don't feel sorry for these new dudes complaining about not being able to find work when construction sites, trucking companies, etc etc are all vastly understaffed and desperate for help. I hear all the time from UNEMPLOYED YOUNG MEN 'I don't want to do that.' And it honestly DISGUSTS me. What's a better option, being unemployed at your parents house? Men do WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO. Only a woman or children talk about what they want to do, as a man you don't have that option. Get your ass up and get it, I'm tired of seeing women outhustling these young men out here, it's fukking pitiful.

 

[cyndaquil]

You not being too tough, they just a bunch of mama's boys who been coddled they whole life. I was raised by men, men who were in the military and were in the trades(my dad was a lineman before he became a network engineer, my grandad and uncle were plumbers and HVAC techs(shoutout @cheek100 I know how hare those two masters licenses you got are cause my kinfolk did it, my other uncle an electrician). Real men who did men's work and did man shyt. Call it toxic all you want but it's the truth, these new dudes not raised that way. Even in my house growing up I had 3 older brothers, no sisters. House full of testosterone. No excuses, either you succeed or you don't cause nobody cares about the excuses. If you get hit, fight back better not run to mama or you gonna get beat harder later. I don't feel sorry for these new dudes complaining about not being able to find work when construction sites, trucking companies, etc etc are all vastly understaffed and desperate for help. I hear all the time from UNEMPLOYED YOUNG MEN 'I don't want to do that.' And it honestly DISGUSTS me. What's a better option, being unemployed at your parents house? Men do WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO. Only a woman or children talk about what they want to do, as a man you don't have that option. Get your ass up and get it, I'm tired of seeing women outhustling these young men out here, it's fukking pitiful.

This is also true as well. When you are unemployed a job is a job. There's a difference between employed men who cant afford anything to unemployed men who refuse to work until they can find a better opportunity

 

[SNG]

Let's break it down. With gender wars what are the main talking points from both sides with regards to this stuff?

Women not being submissive
Men not making enough money
Men are the biggest cheaters
Women have nothing to offer but coochie
Men don’t know how to to communicate properly
Women are not accountable
Men are not accountable
Single Fathers are dead beats.
Single Mothers are ruining Boys and Girls for dating

 

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

Young men who grew up in the era of toxic feminity and masculinity being demonized grew up to be stuck at home by the cost of living crisis. Not dating and not earning enough. Delayed maturity and less experience with women. So they became Andrew Tate fans after checking out. What do you need to ask?