Spoken Reasons Talks How Hollywood Used Him And Breaks Down The Youtube Game As One Of It's First

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I think Steve Rifkind was who the white boy in the TV show and Movie "These Are The Breaks" was modeled after. I mean think about it, he had a shark for a father who made tons of money in the music industry when he just wanted to deal with rap music.

Also who else died when he said Patrick from spongebob was at the audition :russ:

It's a fukking 1 1/2 hour video, who's got time for that :dahell:
Watch it in parts, I don't want you guys to miss important parts then ask dumb questions he addressed :yeshrug: He told his whole story and while he does ramble a little you can fast forward through those parts easy.

Yeah the first black one to get Tv shows and movies placement. It was a few cacs like Fred who was able to get on movies before him I think. I remember Nickelodeon did a whole special with Fred and than put him on Icarly.

Yeah man.

He said he only signed with a network because youtube started to cut his ad money but he wanted to stay independent because he felt those offers he got from various people were too low. In the video he said he could already edit and record his own videos he didn't see the purpose of joining a network especially if they were going to low ball him and take a cut of his adsense.
I don't even remember Fred before Nickleodeon tbh. I think he was an industry plant for youtube stars cause I never seen his shyt and dont plan too:mjlol:He was always a lame gay dude when I seen him on Nick.

Now that I think about it, this was the first Youtube Star to me when I was coming up


This too


Also yeah he didn't want to but when his ad dollars got cut, his back was against the wall and he made it sound like signing with ADD helped him get his ad money back for his videos.
 

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I don't even remember Fred before Nickleodeon tbh.
He was the top Youtuber in that Era number wise before Nick did that special. And I think dude was the first youtuber ever to hit 1 million subs.
He was always a lame gay dude when I seen him on Nick.
Nickelodeon after the 90s and early 00's became lame and gay so he was a perfect fit for nickelodeon.
Now that I think about it, this was the first Youtube Star to me when I was coming up
Oh, that's straight.
 

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He also stole a lot of material from Patrice O’Neal and claimed he was just inspired
Really? He did?

He wasn't even able to write any of the stuff he petformedt
That sucks, I always thought the Dr.Reasons shyt was something he wrote :russ:

ADD fell off like a motherfukker and now I see why. They use to have the homie J Snow and sexy ass Cynthia Luciette but both of them gone.

This is the kinda language that got him in this predicament in the first place. What is it about avoiding a bad deal and sticking with a good situation that would have made him a "sellout"?

Did you watch the video? He said it himself. In the meeting with the agency (UTA, the homie @Quantan corrected me) he said to all those agents, he laid it out - "I ain't with no fukk shyt, I'm not gonna sell my soul, I'm not gonna wear a dress and do no gay shyt" etc. etc. (which is a lot of the shyt nikkas believe in that probably only happens to 5-10% or less people) and they said cool. And from there they started getting him auditions and he ended up in a movie with Sandra Bullock and Melissa McCarthy in under a month and it was all on his terms. From YouTube to a real movie. Breh, some of the biggest YouTubers right now couldn't get into a movie if they tried. The Logan Paul's etc. People on the "real" side of the business do not fukk with YouTubers, but Spoken Reasons got a shot.

Russell Simmons had zero track record in the digital space, and outside of Def Comedy Jam, has no TV or movie track record. And his recent #MeToo stuff aside, All Def Digital has been declining slowly but surely, as has All Def Music.
UTA on the other hand is one of the biggest talent agencies on Earth and could plug you with almost anybody in film, TV or content you could ever imagine.

So if you watched his video and heard everything he said and the lesson you took from it is "He fukked with Russell so he didn't sell out," then I don't know what to tell you.

It's not a black or white thing. It's a "this machine is built for TV and movies" and "this dude has several ventures and most don't pan out" thing.
I hear you but go back and listen to his story from 47:06 to about 57 minutes.

He says that his management and people around him pushed him to do the network shyt which he didn't want to do. He probably should have pushed to do more acting and shyt but it didn't seem like much of that worked out for him and he even says later in the video he auditioned for a lot of shyt saying the names of the films he auditioned for but he clearly never got the roles. He signed with ADD to get his ad money back on his videos cause times got tough and he needed that ad money back. The only way it seems ADD would have helped him with youtube to get that Advert money back was if he worked with them.

In fact he even says he gave in like you were talking about to Brian Robbins, the guy who created All That and Keenan and Kel with the Dr.Reason shyt and they got the writers from TV and the shyt still flopped. He truly wanted to do relationship driven stuff he says but that wasn't their vision for him so there were things he shot down after that.

With that said, I'm not saying fukking with Russell is not selling out cause a bad deal is a bad deal but the thing is that fukking with UTA didn't help him either. Working with agencies like UTA and what not always fukk you over or they would push you to do sucker shyt so it wouldn't had worked in his best interest anyway in most cases or support what he wanted to do.

Watch from 1 hour and 47 seconds to hear him speak on auditioning.
 
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He was the top Youtuber in that Era number wise before Nick did that special. And I think dude was the first youtuber ever to hit 1 million subs.

Nickelodeon after the 90s and early 00's became lame and gay so he was a perfect fit for nickelodeon.

Oh, that's straight.
:mjlol: Wow that's insane. 1 million people subscribed to that nonsense, that's crazy! but you're right in saying Nick did become super lame and gay. I mean look how long spongebob lasted. That cartoon is the proof right there but I feel Fred had to be connected in some way.
 

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The issue is that the old boys network has leverage and can use their relationships to get strings pulled and forcing some talent they want to sign a fukked up deal on some get down or lay down shyt.

The lick should be for the young up and coming youtubers to sign their own direct sponsorships totally separate from youtube and possibly flip the money into other offline businesses. From there slowly migrate off youtube or at minimum have their own website platform alongside of it.

Tekashi should be doing skits instead of rap
 

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I honestly think same thing that happened to him is currently happening to those Dormtainment brothas.

They started around the same time, 2008-09, constantly cranking out videos and building a base. They were both passed by the Vine generation of stars (King Bach, DC Young Fly... etc etc), but still managed to work a deal with All Def Digital. Moved out to L.A., then bam... they go radio silent.

I believe DT is signed with Kevin Hart's company now, and they still do weekly podcasts but their videos came to an absolute halt.

Bad management can obviously set you back.

One of they mans getting caught up in a domestic situation didn’t the help cause either..

Yeah Dormtainment was heart breaking cause they were hungry. And they wrote, filmed, edited everything on their own. When they moved to LA you saw things were starting to shift, but the fans wanted to see them meet their ultimate goal, to get them a show. When Comedy Central gave them a web series you could see starting out a lot of 'them' wasnt there. It was funny, but it wasnt Dormtainment. Like you can tell its other people's hands going into the writing and the overall finished product. A few months back i found out that one of the members caught a case a while back, it was so severe they cut ties with him (he was beating on his girl and either forced her to abort his kid or pressured her to...)

I still listen to the Broke & Famous mixtape, its just that good for a group of guys who were talented and could rap on top of that. You can see a few of them now doing other projects. Ive seen two on Insecure... Ive seen a few doing other projects around youtube in the last few years too... It sucks that the internet famous game is more cut throat than grimey ass hollywood.

And yes, HotDamnIRock's story was heart breaking too... This shyt makes me very greatful that i never really went through with trying to become Youtube famous... I can only think what these 'new' youtube famous mf's are going through and if their dignity is worth their fame.
 

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Yeah Dormtainment was heart breaking cause they were hungry. And they wrote, filmed, edited everything on their own. When they moved to LA you saw things were starting to shift, but the fans wanted to see them meet their ultimate goal, to get them a show. When Comedy Central gave them a web series you could see starting out a lot of 'them' wasnt there. It was funny, but it wasnt Dormtainment. Like you can tell its other people's hands going into the writing and the overall finished product. A few months back i found out that one of the members caught a case a while back, it was so severe they cut ties with him (he was beating on his girl and either forced her to abort his kid or pressured her to...)

I still listen to the Broke & Famous mixtape, its just that good for a group of guys who were talented and could rap on top of that. You can see a few of them now doing other projects. Ive seen two on Insecure... Ive seen a few doing other projects around youtube in the last few years too... It sucks that the internet famous game is more cut throat than grimey ass hollywood.

And yes, HotDamnIRock's story was heart breaking too... This shyt makes me very greatful that i never really went through with trying to become Youtube famous... I can only think what these 'new' youtube famous mf's are going through and if their dignity is worth their fame.

Losing Tay was bad. He was their music production guy, and he always played the "dude looking for relationship advice" role very very well, the skits where he was the center of were the funniest ones imo. DT made the right move by dropping him before his case came to light but that shyt still stings.

This thread made me go on a classic DT binge, their Atlanta days were something else man... I miss those days :mjcry:

They ain't fukkin with Chaz no more :mjcry:

fukkin with CHAAAAaaaaaaz:mjcry:
 

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They ain't fukkin with Chaz no more :mjcry:


:picard: What??? Why?? Since when? I loved the annual multi series they'd do every Halloween. I was out once they went to Comedy Central.


this was one of the last videos i saw of theirs as they took their 'break'


edit: no it was the ones when they did the Nat geo stuff :russ:
 

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:picard: What??? Why?? Since when? I loved the annual multi series they'd do every Halloween. I was out once they went to Comedy Central.


this was one of the last videos i saw of theirs as they took their 'break'


I was talking about the fukkin with Chaz skits, lmao

But their weekly podcasts I don't hear shyt from Mike, Chaz or Ammanuel... it's mainly Rome and Cam.
 

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Yeah Dormtainment was heart breaking cause they were hungry. And they wrote, filmed, edited everything on their own. When they moved to LA you saw things were starting to shift, but the fans wanted to see them meet their ultimate goal, to get them a show. When Comedy Central gave them a web series you could see starting out a lot of 'them' wasnt there. It was funny, but it wasnt Dormtainment. Like you can tell its other people's hands going into the writing and the overall finished product. A few months back i found out that one of the members caught a case a while back, it was so severe they cut ties with him (he was beating on his girl and either forced her to abort his kid or pressured her to...)

I still listen to the Broke & Famous mixtape, its just that good for a group of guys who were talented and could rap on top of that. You can see a few of them now doing other projects. Ive seen two on Insecure... Ive seen a few doing other projects around youtube in the last few years too... It sucks that the internet famous game is more cut throat than grimey ass hollywood.

And yes, HotDamnIRock's story was heart breaking too... This shyt makes me very greatful that i never really went through with trying to become Youtube famous... I can only think what these 'new' youtube famous mf's are going through and if their dignity is worth their fame.
Well truthfully it don't even seem like it's youtube fault though, it's trying to make that transition that is the hard part. Though Desus and Mero somewhat did it they are still more famous online and people watch clips of their TV show online even lol.

I don't know what it is but it seems once these acts go to Hollywood or get that break they are no longer to write or have the same creative input they once had. With that said it's dope they got a shot to write for insecure or were they actors on there?
 

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With that said it's dope they got a shot to write for insecure or were they actors on there?

I know Rome was the dude who played Black Jesus (or was that on the web series?) in season one and Chaz was on i think ep. 1 when Issa did the Broken p*ssy freestyle. I know Issa helps out all her people from the web series cause a number of them have had cameos playing the polar opposite. I gotta rewatch season 1 & 2 to be sure (which isnt a problem in the least bit)
 

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