Star Wars Episode VII spoiler discussion thread (enter at your own discretion)

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Obviously no need to post in spoiler tags here.

Let's :eat:

Credit to Quarterback for finding the first one:


Last night (November 30th) an enigmatic character called "Spoiler Man" took to ***** boards claiming to be an employee of Lucasfilm, and answered some general questions about Episode VII.

Before reading, keep in mind that there is no substantial proof that this person is who they say they are, so take their information with a massive grain of salt. With that being said, based on what we know, this information isplausible if not likely-- and indicative of a good film. The brief teaser confirmed the validity of the leaked concept art from a few weeks back () and everything this "Spoiler Man" says corroborates it as well.

Read on at your own risk.
  • The film is dystopian and darker than Empire. Some 30-40 years have passed since Return of the Jedi, and the Empire and New Republic have been locked in a war of attrition. Everyone is languishing and sick of the war. The script, which is described as "too good for JJ Abrams", begins in space, above a desert planet -- presumably Tatooine.
  • The opening crawl details the ongoing turmoil in the galaxy. How the fall of the Emperor left a void of power, and how the heroes of Endor went into seclusion or kept fighting.
  • The current state of the war is described as being similar to the European theater of 1944, with the Empire being Germany and the Republic being the Allies. The Republic has finally taken the upper hand.
  • John Boyega and Daisy Ridley are the male and female leads.
  • Boyega is a force-sensitive Stormtrooper under command of Gwendoline Christie's character. He defects from the Empire over the course of the movie, ending up stranded on a desert planet (presumed to be Tatooine) during the first act. Having defied orders, Boyega is hunted as a deserter.
TIE fighter wreckage; possibly Boyega's: http://i.imgur.com/bhTMPuT.jpg
  • Gwendoline Christie portrays an Inquisitor. The Inquisitors are a group of lightsaber wielding individuals that may or may not be force sensitive and head up the Imperial Remnant. Inquisitors aren't Sith, but they are not Jedi either; they are hounds used to track down force sensitives, and they are implied to have assisted Vader's cleansing.
Christie's Inquisitor: http://i.imgur.com/JhrbuBy.jpg

Inquisitor's lightsaber: http://i.imgur.com/cKiSO9B.jpg
  • Daisy plays Kira, a character living on Tatooine with Max Von Sydow's character. Kira is a dusty survivalist tomboy. Sydow is a broken man from the prequel area that has become mostly cyborg. He is not force sensitive and for some reason collects artifacts that we've seen at critical points during the previous films, particularly ones relating to the Jedi and the Sith. Daisy shares his fascination with history, and she is revealed in Act II to be the daughter of Han and Leia. As someone with force sensitivity, she resents the fact that Luke went into exile before he could train her, and she hopes that the search for force-sensitive artifacts could lead her to him. She keeps her identity as a Solo under wraps in order to keep trouble away.
Sydow's character examining Vader's helmet: http://i.imgur.com/hjVHT65.jpg;http://i.imgur.com/HAzlSnK.jpg

Sydow's character with Kira: http://i.imgur.com/pInbshX.jpg
  • Sydow is a sort of mentor to Kira, and apparently his true identity is an Act III revelation that will surprise a lot of people. The contention is that he is an existing character from the prequel films, and the revelation of his identity will shock viewers.
  • Sydow's character is "not overtly" a villain, but has some sort of Sith connection.
  • Sydow's "hideout" is a downed AT-AT. Relics of the war are everywhere in the film; there is a real feeling that the entire galaxy is sick of the deadlock.
AT-AT: http://i.imgur.com/cm8eBZS.jpg; http://i.imgur.com/FIxykNK.jpg;http://i.imgur.com/LqlrmBZ.jpg
  • The blue lightsaber in the above picture is apparently the same one Luke lost on Bespin in Empire.
  • The ball droid from the trailer belongs to Kira.
  • On the desert planet (again, presumably Tatooine) Boyega meets up with Daisy and Sydow. At the end of the first act, Han Solo and Chewbacca take them all off planet in the Millennium Falcon. Shortly afterward, we learn that "Kira" is Han and Leia's daughter. Again, she keeps her identity secret to avoid unwanted trouble.
  • Kira's revelation dumbfounds Boyega and "other people."
  • Chewbacca's life debt extends to Han's whole family, and he is now sporting a robotic arm.
Chewbacca: http://i.imgur.com/7TGADrf.jpg
  • Han takes a liking to Boyega. Throughout the film he is in love with Boyega's decision to defy orders and ruin his career in the Imperial military. Han vouches for Boyega, having gone through something similar in his youth.
  • At some point, Han says the familiar "Hey, it's me!" line. Someone, of course, says the classic "I have a bad feeling about this." These are said to be the only self-referential "smile while rolling your eyes" lines of the film.
  • When asked whether Han dies, Spoiler Man replied that he will "not spoil the third act." This in and of itself does not reveal anything, but rather comes off as Spoiler Man being audacious, because answering the question is such a way would spoil the third act, if it were true.
  • Lando's Sullustan co-pilot from Return of the Jedi, Nien Nunb, makes a humorous appearance.
  • Lando is in the script and has apparently become famous.
  • Luke Skywalker has secluded himself from the galaxy, training only a handful of students since his exile. He fears for his future; as he comes closer to Yoda levels of power, he becomes more and more secluded. There are no Jedi in the open, but rumors persist that Luke has trained a few since the events of Endor.
  • Luke first appears in Act II à la Obi Wan dropping his hood in A New Hope. He survives the movie.
  • Boyega and Daisy become Luke's new apprentices.
  • Lupita Nyong'o is Luke's current apprentice, and Boyega's eventual love interest.
  • Luke exiled himself because of the ongoing war. With the galaxy in chaos, he had to ensure his safety so that a new generation could be trained. At least, that's his contention; the fact that he continues to exclude himself despite his great power indicates ulterior motive.
Luke's rumored location: http://i.imgur.com/N4iJjMm.jpg
  • Only Han and Leia know where Luke is, a fact we learn aboard a Mon Cal cruiser in the film's second act.
  • Luke has grown to dislike using his lightsaber, but apparently draws it late in the movie and showcases his abilities against an Inquisitor. It's still green.
  • Luke speaks to Yoda's force ghost in the film.
  • Luke has a reveal in the film which, apparently, is stunning.
  • Leia is the leader of the New Republic. R2D2 and C3PO are with her during the film.
  • R2D2 and C3PO are the only comic relief characters in the film.
  • Carrie Fischer's real life daughter, Billie Lourd, plays Leia in a flashback sequence. Darth Vader appears in this flashback as well, which apparently takes place on Endor.
  • Yavin is in the film, presumably as the Republic's base of operations.
Presumably Yavin: http://i.imgur.com/dBHibXF.jpg; http://i.imgur.com/blKc7tO.jpg;http://i.imgur.com/tN2vpt3.jpg
  • The Republic is building a super weapon on a Scandanavian-esque cold and forsaken forest world. Its ultimate purpose is unknown.
  • The Han Solo archetype is split between Oscar Isaac and Domhnall Gleeson.
  • Isaac is an ace pilot with the last name "Darklighter" who's been fighting the Imperial forces for years now. He's a bit of a hot shot.
  • He inherits the Milennium Falcon and is implied to be Kira's eventual love interest.
  • Domhnall Gleeson plays a scoundrel of sorts.
  • Adam Driver's character is an ambitious, force-sensitive pilot who falls to the dark side.
  • He is described as having a transformation that "only begins" in Episode VII.
  • He builds his own lightsaber (the one we see in the trailer). It's referred to as a "junk" lightsaber, which is why it looks different from that which we are familiar with.
  • The decision to give his initial lightsaber a cross-guard was apparently made wholly by the art department.
  • The lightsaber battles are written by Kasdan to be minimalistic and powerful.
  • Driver wears a mask because half of his face is cyborg.
  • He goes looking for Andy Serkis' character on the aforementioned Scandanavian-esque forest world, as we see in the teaser.
Driver's character: http://imageserver.moviepilot.com/s...lain-is-darth-revan.jpeg?width=960&height=960
  • Andy Serkis is some kind of alien Sith exempt from the Rule of Two. He is implied to have existed for a long time, be very powerful, and is the speaker in the teaser.
  • Serkis is implied to have trained or used Palpatine for some obscure purpose.
  • Adam Driver receives or builds a new lightsaber after meeting with Serkis.
  • The Sith are not aligned with the Empire.
  • Serkis' goals differ from Palpatine's.
  • Serkis does not play or replace Darth Plagueis.
  • 99.9% of the EU is disregarded.
  • There's very much a sense of the old characters "passing the torch" to the newer characters.
  • John Boyega, Daisy Ridley, Oscar Isaac, Domhnall Gleeson, Lupita Nyong'o, Chewbacca, and the droids (presumably Sydow's character and Kira's ball droid) are the new "big 6". Adam Driver and Andy Serkis are Sith and Gwendoline Christie is an Imperial. Characters we still have no knowledge of are those played byCrystal Clarke, Pip Anderson, Christina Chong, Miltos Yerolemou, Greg Grunberg, and Warwick Davis.
Personally, I think all of this sounds great.

Spoiler Man also indicated that, in February, everything he said will be confirmed and accompanied by many more spoilers. February is when the British folks who worked on the film will no longer have anything to do with it contractually, so information will likely come pouring in. He also indicated that the first trailer would be released on May 1st, but of that I'm doubtful; isn't that ultimately Disney's decision?

What do you all think? I'm inclined to believe a lot of it in light of the concept art's validity and the content of teaser. Not only that, but I think this would make for a pretty good film with a whole new feel than the previous trilogies.

Here are some context links:

The source: http://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/51051918/#51052120

The leaked concept art:
 
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I found it here http://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/2nyd64/rumor_potential_4chan_episode_vii_leak_possible/

I think this has potential. But I gotta admit, I'm kinda :mjcry: that the war is still ongoing and that Luke is in exile. I thought that by this time, Luke would be President of the Republic and there'd be peace throughout the galaxy. That celebration at the end of Jedi felt so definitive, as if the war was done. :manny:

It's obvious that Han dies in this. This movie is basically a set up movie for the rest of the trilogy. I don't expect much action, just character development.
 

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I found it here http://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/2nyd64/rumor_potential_4chan_episode_vii_leak_possible/

I think this has potential. But I gotta admit, I'm kinda :mjcry: that the war is still ongoing and that Luke is in exile. I thought that by this time, Luke would be President of the Republic and there'd be peace throughout the galaxy. That celebration at the end of Jedi felt so definitive, as if the war was done. :manny:

It's obvious that Han dies in this. This movie is basically a set up movie for the rest of the trilogy. I don't expect much action, just character development.

Keep in mind how powerful the Empire was though, it was all over the galaxy, Palpatine transformed The Republic into the Empire....so there were only a small group of people fighting them, and no Jedi's. You think Luke can just defeat the emperor and take over and turn everything all peaceful? No way, a new republic has to be formed, and the Empire still has to be destroyed completely. Balance still needs to occur. Hence a very long war while the New Republic is put together and the Empire slowly falls to pieces.
 

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Keep in mind how powerful the Empire was though, it was all over the galaxy, Palpatine transformed The Republic into the Empire....so there were only a small group of people fighting them, and no Jedi's. You think Luke can just defeat the emperor and take over and turn everything all peaceful? No way, a new republic has to be formed, and the Empire still has to be destroyed completely. Balance still needs to occur. Hence a very long war while the New Republic is put together and the Empire slowly falls to pieces.
I'll reply in depth to this tomorrow but this post is spot on. All I'll say now is the Empire was enormous, and had by far the largest army and fleet of any faction in history up to that point. Palpatine and Vader may have been killed at Endor but the only other losses were a few Star Destroyers and one Super Star Destroyer, a minuscule loss compared to their total forces.
 
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been following this dude's spoilers on RT for a while. He also told the teaser shot for shot like two weeks ago

FAIR WARNING! I BELIEVE THERE MIGHT BE ACTUAL SPOILERS IN HERE

I've been meaning to post about these for about a week now, but anyway...

You guys have probably seen the gamut of spoilers concerning the new Star Wars movie on here, other sites, others forums, and so on. However, I believe that I may have come across legitimate spoilers last Saturday via *****.

The gentleman/gentlewoman who posted them mentioned that the Star Wars wrap party had just ended three hours prior to their posting, of course, as fate would have it they fell to the wayside and the thread went relatively unnoticed outside of small number of individuals who asked the OP some questions before it fell off the board.

Now the reason why I think that these are genuine is because they claimed to have been at the wrap party for... principal photography, and it was not reported in the news until Monday that there had indeed been a wrap party for principal photography.

I am going to give a summary of all the posts made by the OP, since posting them would be tedious thanks to formatting:

ORIGINAL POST:

"John Boyega's character is Sun Leonis, he's the main protagonist. He's an ex imperial soldier."

"Daisy Ridley's character is Fawn Solo, but she hides her identity to avoid assassination (everybody wants to kill Leia and her kid, surprise) and gets by name Kira. She lives on Tattooine. The planet is even more devastated now, because wars."

"LUPITA NYONG'O PLAYS THE MAIN BADDIE, she is refereed to only by her surname, "Malila". She's an emperor-like character, two faced politician, SHE SECRETLY DRESSES UP AS DARTH VADER and leads remaining imperial forces to provoke wars and achieve her "mainstream" political goals."

"Adam Driver's character is called sth like "Rage", he's the GRANDSON OF COUNT DOOKU and he's basically a swordfighting commando-crusader serving Malila, a religious nut, zealot of the Sith religion. A secondary villain, but important."

"Leia is very weak and she moves around using a Star-Wars-y "wheelchair on legs", like the ones in TPM; all force-sensitives are dying of an "unknown sickness", because plot (IT'S THE SAME THING THAT KILLED PADME, wink wink)."

"Luke is "somewhere out there", he shows up only in the last act and his appearance is surprising, to say the least."

"GWENDOLINE CHRISTIE PLAYS BOBA FETT's successor and wears exactly the same armor (her being a woman is a twist I guess), she kills Han at the end."

"Basically most of the cast is irrelevant, they don't play anyone who really matters, at least in this episode (Oscar Isaac, Gleesson, they're only in the background, Sydow only has a minor role, scene with Simon Pegg who plays a yoda-like wise creature, and dies pretty quickly)."

"The current title actually is "The Ancient Fear"."

"I do not know the whole script, only some scenes, I can't really tell you how the story goes in its whole, except for what I put together on my own."

COMMENT:

fake leaks get boring after a while

ANSWER:

"Okay, so here's one more."

"There are two Solo girls, but the first one dies in an explosion when Han's "starship" (modified star destroyer turned into a space station basically) gets attacked, it happens 3 minutes into the movie. This is why Fawn hides on Tatooine, it isn't safe out there."
 
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