Steph Curry is banned from Finals MVP contention

[eastside313]

Klay has literally shot 3 more free throws than Curry this series

Ok

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

When the offense not working and the deficit is growing the best players have to take the ball into their hands and do what they do to get some buckets.

There's some truth to that, and I've already made mention that Curry wasn't aggressive enough when he needed to be. However, the offense was working for the Warriors (they were getting open shots) -

They were just missing them.

After all isn't the key to winning the game - getting the best shot possible?

So you saying he Should just keep passing it to Barnes and Iggy to shoot bricks.

Depends on the defensive attention he's getting.

That's the type of behavior that gets Lebron crucified on this board.

And there's some merit to him getting crucified when he's been left open and not shooting or he dribbles the ball too much. You hardly ever see Curry being left open at all, and you hardly ever see him dribble the ball too much; draining the shotclock in the process. They're both different players with vastly different skillsets - you can't compare what they should be doing for their teams.

The biggest problem for Curry has been not with the ball, but without it - he's been giving up far too much on trying to get open.

Game 2 he hit a couple shots but it was just blah. Draymond was the star of that show.

But you just said he only showed up in one game (Game 4), when he showed up in Game 2 too. Stop shifting the argument.

 

[Fani Willis fan]

Curry fans new excuse is he's the first player to ever get double teamed or that somehow a team has never keyed in on one player like the Cavs on Curry

You can't make this shyt up

when people start deflecting to "it happened to them too" then an argument is over, they lost.

 

[eastside313]

.

But you just said he only showed up in one game (Game 4), when he showed up in Game 2 too. Stop shifting the argument.

What I consider curry showing up is doing what curry is known for doing. He's a star so he's gonna get some points and hit some shots, but is he out there being the chef.

His game 2 performance would be applaud worthy for jr smith, but for steph Imo it was just blah.

 

[Gravity]

That poster was trolling.

The thing I can respect about that poster is that he doesn't deny being a troll. He's King Kobe fanboy and he makes no bones about it. He doesn't take himself too seriously I the point where he denies his agenda and tries to come across as some unbiased fan unlike some people

Yea he's a troll but he made a good point. Curry was subpar offensively and defensively but you framed it as him playing "ok". That exposes a level of bias in your part.

 

[Gravity]

He's a better player than Zeke ever was

 

[MostReal]

There's some truth to that, and I've already made mention that Curry wasn't aggressive enough when he needed to be. However, the offense was working for the Warriors (they were getting open shots) -

They were just missing them.

After all isn't the key to winning the game - getting the best shot possible?

Depends on the defensive attention he's getting.

this won't happen again

which is why I say Curry more than likely will have 30+ with a W and win Finals MVP

 

[holidayinn21]

I've provided tape, advanced stats, analysis and game breakdowns of Curry's performance in the Finals last season. Don't you fukkin dare accuse me of not using context. Perhaps if you'd actually read my posts properly you would've seen this.

Yawn. Just yawn. This is the bullshyt I be talking about with you.

When everyone who watched the game(something that you like accusing people of not doing whenever you don't agree with them) said Iggy was the difference maker in the series, you conveniently went into data-mining and stats galore mode, and of course, the "lebron narrative", whatever that means.

In your world, you're the only one that applies context and watches games. fukk outta here with this

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

The thing I can respect about that poster is that he doesn't deny being a troll. He's King Kobe fanboy and he makes no bones about it. He doesn't take himself too seriously I the point where he denies his agenda and tries to come across as some unbiased fan unlike some people

Yea he's a troll but he made a good point. Curry was subpar offensively and defensively but you framed it as him playing "ok". That exposes a level of bias in your part.

Except he didn't. He used his FG% as a reason for him playing poorly (after he ignores or tries to explain it away when defending Kobe's shooting percentages) and he said his matchup scored 41 points. Curry actually defended Kyrie decently when he was on him; Kyrie was actually burning Klay. He only had a few FG makes against Curry - most of them came against Klay and the rest of the Warriors players. He did play "ok". He made good decisions with the ball when getting trapped and he set up players for open looks (which they missed). He still ended up scoring 25 points and was the main generator of their offense.

He simply wasn't aggressive enough and made some notable errors on the defensive end. He's most definitely had some bad/awful games, this wasn't one of them.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Yawn. Just yawn. This is the bullshyt I be talking about with you.

You don't even know what you're talking about when it comes to this team. You've proven that time and time again. Not to mention I provided a video of Magic in the '84 Finals (actual evidence; proper context of what happened) and @eastside313 just goes and references his box score.

When everyone who watched the game(something that you like accusing people of not doing whenever you don't agree with them) said Iggy was the difference maker in the series, you conveniently went into data-mining and stats galore mode, and of course, the "lebron narrative"

You mean I was giving context to my position? Yes the LeBron narrative -

Because of the LeBron hero narrative at the time, and Iggy basically being the antagonist - the voters focused far too much on that rather than who the best player for the Warriors was or who had the most impact on the game. He wasn't having trouble with Delly, he was having trouble with the Cavs' defense because they centered their entire defense around containing him and Klay (he still averaged 26 ppg - 10 more ppg than any other Warriors player) by doubling, trapping, closing off the driving lanes and sending help whenever they could, and leaving role players like Iggy open.

80% of Iggy's FGs in the Finals were assisted. And the closest defender on most of his shots was Mozgov, Thompson and James Jones. He was benefiting from all the defensive attention that was on Curry and Klay.

What does this have to do with anything? Why can't you address any of my points made?

Yes. I'm not smarter than the voters, I just didn't fall into the trap of thinking that he was the Warriors' most important and best player. Listen, I don't have any issue with Iggy getting the award last season - he most certainly had an argument - the problem I have is when folk use it against Curry as if he didn't deserve it and went missing in the series. Which couldn't be further from the truth.

He averaged 26 ppg in the Finals (10 ppg more than any other Warriros player)
He was getting trapped and doubled all series long - Iggy and all the other role players benefited from this when getting open shots and more room to work with when getting the ball. 80+% of Iggy's points were assisted, and the majority of his FGs were when Mozgov, Thompson or Jones were the closest defenders - sometimes they weren't even guarding him, just leaving him open to shoot while focusing on Curry or Klay.

Golden: Iguodala played great but Curry or LeBron deserved the MVP | Golden's Nuggets
Steph Curry, Not Andre Iguodala, Was The Warriors’ Real MVP In The NBA Finals

Draymond Green’s all-court versatility. Why was he afforded so much space to operate in the halfcourt? Due to Cleveland’s ultra-aggressive ball-screen coverage on Curry. And why were the Cavaliers forced to guard him with an overmatched big man? Because Green is a stout enough rebounder, rim-protector, and individual defender to not be frequently outmuscled by Mozgov and Tristan Thompson.

81.5 percent of Iguodala’s scores versus Cleveland were assisted. The nearest defender on all but nine of his 37 made field goals was Mozgov, Thompson or 34-year-old James Jones. Those stats, obviously, have the fingerprints of Curry and Green all over them.

This is not to knock Iguodala. Compared to expectations, his individual performance was the Warriors’ best. He was awesome in the Finals, and certainly extremely valuable. It’s just that the genesis of so much of that value stems from other players, including one who went for 26.0 points, 5.2 rebounds, and 6.3 assists a night with a 60.7 true shooting percentage and 30.7 usage rate.

Curry nearly stole Game 3 from the Cavaliers at The Q, providing his team a much-needed spark that proved incendiary for the Finals’ duration. He dominated down the stretch in Game 5 with the kind of surreal shot-making that’s become amazingly common. And he had 25 points, six rebounds, eight assists and three steals in his team’s title-clinching victory.

Plenty of people came to the same conclusion I did after watching the Finals. But of course you're not going to read them and just accuse me of being the only one who believes that.

In your world, you're the only one that applies context and watches games. fukk outta here with this

All I ask is for folk to be reasonable. I don't have a problem with positions I disagree with as long as they make sense and are reflective of what goes on, on the court. Saying shyt like Curry was "carried" or went missing in the Finals last season is WRONG, and I'll continue to argue against that idiotic stance.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Curry just had one of the best [offensive] seasons of all time. At no point in Zeke's career to have the same impact.

 

[Miggs]

Im amused and gifs on point...well done ol chap.

 

[eastside313]

Curry just had one of the best [offensive] seasons of all time. At no point in Zeke's career to have the same impact.

Fam I'm sure you know how isiah was able to score and still get double digit assist early in his career. Then he changed his game to win titles. Isiah was a great scorer also.



You posted a 5 minute clip of some bad plays from magic from a 6 game series. I'm pretty sure those 5 minutes didn't tell the whole story.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Fam I'm sure you know how isiah was able to score and still get double digit assist early in his career.

At no point during his career was he better than Curry.

Then he changed his game to win titles. Isiah was a great scorer also.

Your point? Curry won a title playing the way he does. Curry led a tea to 73-wins playing the way he does. He didn't need to change his game to win titles.

You posted a 5 minute clip of some bad plays from magic from a 6 game series. I'm pretty sure those 5 minutes didn't tell the whole story.

So what you're saying is, you didn't watch the clip and you never watched the '84 Finals at all?

 

[Gravity]

Except he didn't. He used his FG% as a reason for him playing poorly (after he ignores or tries to explain it away when defending Kobe's shooting percentages) and he said his matchup scored 41 points. Curry actually defended Kyrie decently when he was on him; Kyrie was actually burning Klay. He only had a few FG makes against Curry - most of them came against Klay and the rest of the Warriors players. He did play "ok". He made good decisions with the ball when getting trapped and he set up players for open looks (which they missed). He still ended up scoring 25 points and was the main generator of their offense.

He simply wasn't aggressive enough and made some notable errors on the defensive end. He's most definitely had some bad/awful games, this wasn't one of them.

His Kobe comments are irrelevant here, that's a deflection.

Your argument is weak and invalid. Nobody on the Warriors team actually played good defense. Kyrie burned Klay more because Klay was the primary defender. You say that Kyrie only gave Curry a few buckets but he was only on him a handful of times. Klay actually forced him into a lot of difficult shots that Kyrie just made. Curry was a on factor on defense. His decision making wasn't all that good either. It hasn't been good for the entire series. He had another 4 turnovers last night. how was the main generator of offens when Klay singlehandedly kept them in it in the first half? Klay has 26 of their 61 first half points and finished with 37 of their 97. Klay was the main generator on offense.

I didn't say that Curry played awful but he didn't play well and it actually subpar. He didn't show up in the 4th.