Steph Curry is banned from Finals MVP contention

[No..Money..Mo..Problems]

The criticism for Curry in this thread is equivalent to someone telling me Wes Welker is better than Randy Moss when it's obvious who the opposing defense was designed to stop and who opens things up for the rest of the team.


People just don't get it.

Lol since when did curry become the only player who defenses focused on. You think the jordan rules were a myth? Did teams not double and triple team shaq everytime he got the ball? If your gonna be put in the goat conversation you have no excuses you just gotta get the job done. Kyrie fukking Irving was going through the entire warriors defense and we don't even consider him a top 3 guard but we supposed to give curry a pass and put him up with there with the goats lol

 

[<<TheStandard>>]

Opposing teams didnt design the defense to focus on stopping Wade in 06? Defenses werent designed to focus on Hakeem in back to back finals? Teams didnt key in on Dirk as the only all star that could beat them in 2011? Im guessing 6 different Finals teams just didnt think to design their defenses to stop MJ, huh?

Whats that? Oh, they all did and these alltime great players stepped up and dominated to win FMVP anyway? Oh ok.

Lol since when did curry become the only player who defenses focused on. You think the jordan rules were a myth? Did teams not double and triple team shaq everytime he got the ball? If your gonna be put in the goat conversation you have no excuses you just gotta get the job done. Kyrie fukking Irving was going through the entire warriors defense and we don't even consider him a top 3 guard but we supposed to give curry a pass and put him up with there with the goats lol

There's 3 key factors in all of this

a.) They weren't their team's point guard in an offense designed to move the ball more than most teams. Curry has always been willing to defer a lot even back to his college days where he didn't take the last shot against Kansas. From my view, dude's a point guard first, scorer second. The Warriors have found an optimal level of movement in terms of the ball not sticking.....which is why they're one of the GOAT teams.

-Is making the right basketball play really a problem or has the days of MJ/Kobe truly blinded everyone to the point where one player jacking up shots is more important than making the correct basketball play. Based on how they've been covering him he would have been taking a ton of ill advised shots. Curry's still had the best offensive display as a Warrior in these Finals in game 4. I'll acknowledge that he could have shot better for parts of this series (especially tonight) but at the end of the day it's a make or miss league. Look at how the narrative changes amongst media members like Wilbon based on Kyrie's performance tonight vs in Game 4.....He's been playing the same way, after Game 4 Wilbon was disgusted, tonight the shots went in and it's wow, look how great Kyrie played. Kyrie's been great on the offensive end all series & I'm saying this as a guy who's not particularly fond of his style of play.

b.) They weren't getting trapped at half court to get the ball out of his hands.


c.) They weren't coming off a sprained MCL injury which by any objective measure is still affecting him


BTW, why is the Finals MVP Award so important to you guys? The most important thing is winning the NBA Finals, not being a ball dominant player who scores the most points while winning the NBA finals.

 

[smitty22]

There's 3 key factors in all of this

a.) They weren't their team's point guard in an offense designed to move the ball more than most teams. Curry has always been willing to defer a lot even back to his college days where he didn't take the last shot against Kansas. From my view, dude's a point guard first, scorer second. The Warriors have found an optimal level of movement in terms of the ball not sticking.....which is why they're one of the GOAT teams.

-Is making the right basketball play really a problem or has the days of MJ/Kobe truly blinded everyone to the point where one player jacking up shots is more important than making the correct basketball play. Based on how they've been covering him he would have been taking a ton of ill advised shots. Curry's still had the best offensive display as a Warrior in these Finals in game 4. I'll acknowledge that he could have shot better for parts of this series (especially tonight) but at the end of the day it's a make or miss league. Look at how the narrative changes amongst media members like Wilbon based on Kyrie's performance tonight vs in Game 4.....He's been playing the same way, after Game 4 Wilbon was disgusted, tonight the shots went in and it's wow, look how great Kyrie played. Kyrie's been great on the offensive end all series & I'm saying this as a guy who's not particularly fond of his style of play.

b.) They weren't getting trapped at half court to get the ball out of his hands.


c.) They weren't coming off a sprained MCL injury which by any objective measure is still affecting him


BTW, why is the Finals MVP Award so important to you guys? The most important thing is winning the NBA Finals, not being a ball dominant player who scores the most points while winning the NBA finals.

Go look at the last 5 pages of the seum and you tell me of its a problem

 

[Fani Willis fan]

There's 3 key factors in all of this

a.) They weren't their team's point guard in an offense designed to move the ball more than most teams. Curry has always been willing to defer a lot even back to his college days where he didn't take the last shot against Kansas. From my view, dude's a point guard first, scorer second. The Warriors have found an optimal level of movement in terms of the ball not sticking.....which is why they're one of the GOAT teams.

-Is making the right basketball play really a problem or has the days of MJ/Kobe truly blinded everyone to the point where one player jacking up shots is more important than making the correct basketball play. Based on how they've been covering him he would have been taking a ton of ill advised shots. Curry's still had the best offensive display as a Warrior in these Finals in game 4. I'll acknowledge that he could have shot better for parts of this series (especially tonight) but at the end of the day it's a make or miss league. Look at how the narrative changes amongst media members like Wilbon based on Kyrie's performance tonight vs in Game 4.....He's been playing the same way, after Game 4 Wilbon was disgusted, tonight the shots went in and it's wow, look how great Kyrie played. Kyrie's been great on the offensive end all series & I'm saying this as a guy who's not particularly fond of his style of play.

b.) They weren't getting trapped at half court to get the ball out of his hands.


c.) They weren't coming off a sprained MCL injury which by any objective measure is still affecting him


BTW, why is the Finals MVP Award so important to you guys? The most important thing is winning the NBA Finals, not being a ball dominant player who scores the most points while winning the NBA finals.

You don't have to be ball dominant and score the most points, the last 2 FMVP were the opposite.

people were saying they havent seen a perimeter player this dominant since Jordan lol and the unanimous MVP in the regular season then people expect you to perform in the NBA finals... if you're throwing up duds in back to back years then you're not as advertised.

 

[Grizzly]

He played like shyt... no way around it

Kyrie was mixing that boy the whole night

 

[DrexlersFade]

Jordan 6-0 in finals elimination games get outshined


Curry who all hail the G.O.A.T. better worry about Bron

 

[eastside313]

What is it you think I'm trying to argue in this thread? He hasn't played up to his ability consistently in the Finals. I'm not making any excuses for him. He needs to play better.

For 2 years in a row

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

For 2 years in a row

Not consistently he hasn't but he's had games this Finals and last Finals where he did (he was the Warriors best player in the Finals last season). Not every great player has played consistently great in every Finals they've been in. I don't know why a different standard has to be used for Curry.

 

[eastside313]

Not consistently he hasn't but he's had games this Finals and last Finals where he did (he was the Warriors best player in the Finals last season). Not every great player has played consistently great in every Finals they've been in. I don't know why a different standard has to be used for Curry.

This is true. But when you talking about the all time greatest to ever do it then you talking about another level. And that is the level people wanna prematurely put curry.

Which is why when people were saying he's better than Isaiah already, and some of us say not yet give him time it takes more than a hot few years. Then folks go off throwing all these stats around like that's the end all be all and it's not.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

This is true. But when you talking about the all time greatest to ever do it then you talking about another level. And that is the level people wanna prematurely put curry..

Who are these people?

It seems like y'all make up all these straw man arguments to argue against - when folk don't say that shyt in the first place. No player in the history of the game has played consistently great in the Finals (you also have to take into account why he isn't playing up to his ability either).

Which is why when people were saying he's better than Isaiah already, and some of us say not yet give him time it takes more than a hot few years. Then folks go off throwing all these stats around like that's the end all be all and it's not.

He's a better player than Zeke ever was at any point of his career, but he doesn't deserve to be ahead of him on an all-time list. We can have that discussion when he's near the end of his prime.

 

[Texas2step]

I agree and I'm a Curry fan. Klay can only do so much after carrying the scoring and defensive load 3 qts by the time 4th qts comes he he is tired. Plus we saw how regular defensively they are without Green because they continue to involve the big men the pick n roll and none of them could defend after the switch.
Then Curry kills GSW with careless turnovers and continues to get beat by backdoor screens or just gets caught sleeping on d to the point of being a liability at times. It is time for him to step up. He has been playing like shyt the whole playoffs

 

[PortCityProphet]

Aye my dude @Gil Scott-Heroin when do you sleep bruh? You were up arguing with these fools till 4 am and you back at it with them nikkas and it's only 7 in every hoops related thread I feel like you in a handicap match taking on all challengers on some empty the locker room and go get him type shyt

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

@eastside313 take this for example -



Magic played worse in the '84 Finals than Curry ever did in this Finals (thus far of course) and the last, and he wasn't even receiving the same defensive attention that Curry is either.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Yeah, unless he has an 60 point game or something, I don't see how he could win MVP

 

[eastside313]

Who are these people?

It seems like y'all make up all these straw man arguments to argue against - when folk don't say that shyt in the first place.

He's a better player than Zeke ever was at any point of his career,

You are these people

No player in the history of the game has played consistently great in the Finals

5 games in this years finals and curry has shown up once. Sorry all time great winners haven't done that.


QUOTE="Gil Scott-Heroin, post: 19564060, member: 34"] (you also have to take into account why he isn't playing up to his ability either).

.[/QUOTE]

Yeah cause he's looking like a one trick pony against a team focused and playing disciplined defense on him.