Steve Kerr was right about lebron

[MoneyTron]

To highlight Kerr's point further, in the '16 playoffs LeBron is currently shooting:

59% on 2 pointers including a whopping 72% close in.

Great efficiency right? Let's break it down:

- 36 dunks attempted making 12% of his FGA.
- 50% of his attempts have come from 0-3ft. (72% FG)
- 10% of his attempts are from 3-10ft (29%)
- 8% are from 10-16ft (29%)
- 9% are from 16-23ft (52%)
- 22% are from 3 (32%)

Stats can be misleading. If we just say 2 point efficiency that it looks great. But for a 31 year old perimeter player, not so much.

It's pretty clear that his offensive game lacks the variation to keep the GS defense off balance. Kerr has keyed into this.

Note: Miami Bron actually had some variation to his shot selection and at time was actually decent from midrange.

 

[SunZoo]

No

In the east? Yes the fukk they do

 

[The God Poster]

yes

but he aint improve shyt

as you can see he is still a bum on offense

He did improve then he regressed

 

[The God Poster]

To highlight Kerr's point further, in the '16 playoffs LeBron is currently shooting:

59% on 2 pointers including a whopping 72% close in.

Great efficiency right? Let's break it down:

- 36 dunks attempted making 12% of his FGA.
- 50% of his attempts have come from 0-3ft. (72% FG)
- 10% of his attempts are from 3-10ft (29%)
- 8% are from 10-16ft (29%)
- 9% are from 16-23ft (52%)
- 22% are from 3 (32%)

Stats can be misleading. If we just say 2 point efficiency that it looks great. But for a 31 year old perimeter player, not so much.

It's pretty clear that his offensive game lacks the variation to keep the GS defense off balance. Kerr has keyed into this.

Note: Miami Bron actually had some variation to his shot selection and at time was actually decent from midrange.

Breh were you behind that hubie brown alias

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Yes I can. Over the course of Kobe's career raising his % of 2s to 51% averages out to 60 points per season.

Not to mention that Bron shoots a significantly higher % close in and shoots dunks/layups at far higher rate than Kobe, which really has nothing to do with "shooting jumpshots" per se.

Kobe's average shooting % from 3 feet out to 3 point range is much higher. And he shoots more jumpshots from that midrange as well.

Kobe
0-3ft: 63%
3-10ft: 45%
10-16ft: 44%
16 to 3pt: 40%

LeBron
0-3ft: 73%
3-10ft: 43%
10-16ft: 36%
16 to 3pt: 39%

How bad of a Kobestan do you have to be to pull an epic fail like that, post the numbers proving it, and not even realize it?


Kobe
16 to 3pt: 40%
3pt: 33%

LeBron
16 to 3pt: 39%
3pt: 34%

So it looks like they're actually dead even from 16 feet out. Kobe's up 1% on the long-range twos, Lebron's up 1% on the threes. Lebron, of course, weighs his long jumpers towards threes much more than Kobe does, because, you know, he realizes that 34% of three is MUCH better than 39% of two.

Overall, Kobe loses 45 points on all shots from 16 feet out compared to what he would have had shooting Lebron rates.



Kobe
0-3ft: 63%
3-10ft: 45%

LeBron
0-3ft: 73%
3-10ft: 43%

Hmm, looks like Lebron has a significant advantage overall from 10 feet in. At the least, Lebron dominates at close range and it's a wash after that (if you think 3% on ALL your shots is too small a difference to matter, then 2% of just 12% of your shots is certainly insignificant.)

Overall, Kobe loses 765 points on all shots from 10 feet in compared to where he would have shooting Lebron rates.



Kobe
10-16ft: 44%

LeBron
10-16ft: 36%

There we go, Kobe's sweet spot! 10-16 feet is the ONE place where Kobe beats out Lebron. Of course, that only encompasses 17% of Kobe's shots and 10% of Bron's shots, and are by FAR the most inefficient shots Bron could be shooting (which is why he limits them), so good luck finding meaning there. Only 9% of Kobe's career scoring has come from 10-16 feet out.

Kobe's advantage from 10-16 feet compared to where he'd be if he shot Lebron rates comes out to...wait for it...233 points total.



Putting him about 600 points behind where he'd be at with Lebron numbers overall even with the exact same shot distribution. Change to Lebron's shot distribution, and the difference skyrockets to 2,620.

You said you could "laugh at" 1,280 points over the course of their careers, and now you're trying to brag about 233 points.


Kobe Bryant, "the king of making 12-foot jumpers at barely half the rate of what Lebron's shooting by getting closer in".

 

[MoneyTron]

Breh were you behind that hubie brown alias

Nah, someone got to it before me.

Moral of the story is, how you get points is important. People been saying that sbout LeBron for over a decade for a reason.

 

[Gravity]

Michael like Steph is a better offensive scorer than LeBron but LeBron is better than both. LeBron is a one man elite team, something Michael and Steph never was or will be.

You can't be serious with this nonsense.

 

[Gangstar8]

You can't be serious with this nonsense.

He is

 

[Gangstar8]

In the east? Yes the fukk they do

3% is a serious difference when you're talking over the course of a whole career.






How much dumb shyt are you going to post in one thread?

2011 Kawhi is leading the Heat past the 2011 Bulls?
2012 Kawhi is leading the Heat past the 2012 Celtics with Bosh out?
2013 Kawhi is leading the Heat past the 2013 Pacers?
2014 Kawhi is leading the Heat past the 2014 Pacers?
2015 Kawhi is one-man destroying the 2015 Hawks with Love and Irving out?

The ONLY one I'm giving you is 2016. Maybe he would have had a chance in 2014, but that Pacers team took the Heat to 7 and 2014 Kawhi wasn't nearly as good as 2014 Lebron. So you're talking once, and maaaaybe one other time just by the odds.

You said Kawhi would do it 6 times "easily", and he'd struggle to do it even twice.

Durant is the 2nd best player in the NBA the last 6 years, and he's still not doing it. He would have been favored a lot of those years, but he would have come up short at least twice, maybe more.

Current Kawhi and KD, yes they do. Make 6 finals just like lebron.
Kawhi would not have to lead them past anything. Wade would do that.

 

[MoneyTron]

Kobe Bryant, "the king of making 12-foot jumpers at barely half the rate of what Lebron's shooting by getting closer in".

You're missing the point. The point was to highlight what Kerr was saying. Eventually the defense is going to deny you what you want. Being able to score from anywhere on the floor in various ways is worth its weight in gold.

Right now, LeBron isn't doing that.

I don't know about you, but I'll trade that 3% for the ability to take what the defense gives me.

 

[havoc]

He's not out there by himself. Kyrie is right there as far as scoring. j.R has been playing good. TT is dominant on the boards. He holds the ball for 10 seconds and kills the flow of the offense. He gets touches on every possession for 40 minutes so he should get 8 assists. When was the last time you saw LeBron catch and shoot 2 straight possessions. For as gifted as he is, he always overthinks when it's time to score. Think about it, he has been guarded for 54 possessions by Iguodala and has taken 4 shots and committed 4 turnovers.

We watched Lebron took over as the general in the 2015 NBA finals. Lebron average over 25 shots a game. His shooting percentage was below 40 percent. Lebron broke jumpshot has failed him again.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Kyrie and Love ain't shyt. They don't play defense. Bosh is legit but Wade was hurt all the fukking time when James was there, looking like father time and that team didn't mesh well although the talent was there.

You telling me this bullshyt ass Cavs team without James is making the playoffs? Man, they Knicks level without LeBron.

Is that why Kyrie has not only been the Cavs' best player in the Finals but arguably their best player in the playoffs? If it weren't for him this series would already be over.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

You're missing the point. The point was to highlight what Kerr was saying. Eventually the defense is going to deny you what you want. Being able to score from anywhere on the floor in various ways is worth its weight in gold.

Right now, LeBron isn't doing that.

I don't know about you, but I'll trade that 3% for the ability to take what the defense gives me.

First off, nice little bait-and-switch there. The gap between Kobe and Lebron was 6%, not 3%. You tried to use the MJ gap in the Lebron argument.

And the thing you're failing to factor in is that that 6% gap comes AFTER the fact that Kobe "took what the defense gives him."


If that ability makes a big difference, the Kobe should be benefiting from that difference in every game, because he's always able to get the highest-percentage shot no matter what the defense gives him. So this made-up advantage you speak of is already factored into the final numbers - 6% worse than Bron is all Kobe could do even with his "worth its weight in gold" advantage already taken into account.


And in fact, when push comes to shove and you get to the highest stage, the Finals, Kobe's %'s take an even bigger hit. He's only shot over 43% in one Finals out of seven. If his shooting was "worth its weight in gold", why did he have such a tough time cashing that gold in? Lebron, on the other hand, hasn't had any problem scoring at mortal MVP rates in the Finals since 2011 - the only problem being that his 2014-2016 teams needed someone scoring 35ppg at a 55% rate to even have a chance.

 

[Gangstar8]

First off, nice little bait-and-switch there. The gap between Kobe and Lebron was 6%, not 3%. You tried to use the MJ gap in the Lebron argument.

And the thing you're failing to factor in is that that 6% gap comes AFTER the fact that Kobe "took what the defense gives him."


If that ability makes a big difference, the Kobe should be benefiting from that difference in every game, because he's always able to get the highest-percentage shot no matter what the defense gives him. So this made-up advantage you speak of is already factored into the final numbers - 6% worse than Bron is all Kobe could do even with his "worth its weight in gold" advantage already taken into account.


And in fact, when push comes to shove and you get to the highest stage, the Finals, Kobe's %'s take an even bigger hit. He's only shot over 43% in one Finals out of seven. If his shooting was "worth its weight in gold", why did he have such a tough time cashing that gold in? Lebron, on the other hand, hasn't had any problem scoring at mortal MVP rates in the Finals since 2011 - the only problem being that his 2014-2016 teams needed someone scoring 35ppg at a 55% rate to even have a chance.

So what are you trying to say dummy lebron is a better scorer than kobe?

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Current Kawhi and KD, yes they do. Make 6 finals just like lebron.
Kawhi would not have to lead them past anything. Wade would do that.

Any player can do great things if he gets to have his career season six seasons in a row.

But current Kawhi still falls short multiple times - he's not taking out Boston in 2012 when everything falls on him, and I doubt he's dominating the Hawks with TT/JR as his main sidekicks either. Those were uniquely Bron feats. In the other years, he's probably favored, but that doesn't mean he actually does it every time. That's what's so hard about the task.

The odds are way against him. If you're a 70% favorite to reach the Finals 6 times in a row, then chances are you'll only reach 4 times. And being a 70% favorite is a big favorite....Lebron has never been a 70% favorite in the Finals ever.

That's why even Durant probably is coming short at least twice.



If you really get your peak self every year, then 2013 Bron adds a chip in 2011 and might have a chance to win in 2015 and/or 2016 too. The incredible thing about getting 6 Finals in a row is being that good for six consecutive years. No one gets to have their best season ever over and over again.