Stop Bernie-Splaining to Black Voters

[El Cocodrilo]

I dont see it as a black thing. Most people period are not informed.

If you are a working class american, Sanders is in your best interest because he is not pretending to be liberal- he is actually liberal as fukk. If enough Americans cant see that then whatever, we'll get the government we deserve. A phony like Hillary or a shythead like Trump or one of the other garbage ass sell out Republicans.

 

[No1]

every vote counts you wouldnt dare risk the possibility of a republican winning your state would you you have to vote for hillary if she is the nom

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and i dont think its a lock hilllary will win anymore. stop pump faking you know it to be true bernies got a ton of momentum

Bernie's not winning fam. If Bernie wins the nomination I will rock a WOAT banner for a week.

 

[Spin]

A younger version of myself would probably be all in for Bernie, but I realize it's fantasy land. We don't live in and never will live in a world where everyone gets along. There will be winners and losers. Some complain about 1% controlling more than half the wealth, well guess what happens in socialism? It's going to be even worse. Your end goal shouldn't be complaining about other people making money, but to make sure you have the opportunity to succeed. Are you really going to waste time fighting for minimum wage hikes? How many years do you plan to work on a minimum wage job? What are you going to do as technology evolves to eliminate many of those jobs permanently? Stop wasting time on losing battles.

All I hear from Bernie and Hillary are about unjust criminal laws and high unemployment rates among African Americans. Now I agree some of the law for first time offenders are BS, but much of the issue comes down to money. Poor people can't afford proper representation and thus are at the mercy of the system. However, that is not the majority of black Americans. The average black American is a working tax payer just like anyone else in this country. Why isn't more time dedicated to talking about issues facing the majority non criminal employed blacks? Instead we have blacks with criminal records getting all the attention and exploited at the same time. They're exploited by the system and exploited by politicians that act like they care. In addition to the politicians you have "activist" that take up these causes to build their brand for financial gain. Does anyone ever get sick of the same cycle?

Some point out smaller European countries that have socialistic traits, but you can't compare them to America. Not only are these euro countries smaller but the USA is much more diverse than any of them. Looking at bigger euro countries like France you see they're having issues now with immigration. France has started to move to the right as it has become much more conservative in the past few years. Let's also be clear that many of these smaller euro countries rely on the USA to be the big brother if anything pops off. France can say slick stuff about America but if something were to happen, we're going to be the first ones they call.

A President no matter what side of the aisle isn't going to be able to do much for your personally. Unless your're 18 and under and never went through a election cycle, I don't see how people are still fooled by elections. Yes it's entertaining to watch like a football game, but that's about the extent of it. I definitely recommend voting and being active, but to get emotionally caught up is a waste of time.

 

[wire28]

Bernie's not winning fam. If Bernie wins the nomination I will rock a WOAT banner for a week.

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All I hear from Bernie and Hillary are about unjust criminal laws and high unemployment rates among African Americans. Now I agree some of the law for first time offenders are BS, but much of the issue comes down to money. Poor people can't afford proper representation and thus are at the mercy of the system. However, that is not the majority of black Americans. The average black American is a working tax payer just like anyone else in this country. Why isn't more time dedicated to talking about issues facing the majority non criminal employed blacks? Instead we have blacks with criminal records getting all the attention and exploited at the same time. They're exploited by the system and exploited by politicians that act like they care. In addition to the politicians you have "activist" that take up these causes to build their brand for financial gain. Does anyone ever get sick of the same cycle?

yep i mentioned the same thing in another thread. whenever black people are brought up its about crime and justice. thats what i mean when i say bernie (and these politicians in general) dont care about you. its the pander show and they are saying what they need to get those votes.

the political game is just a case of voting for the lesser evil, especially if you are black

 

[Family Man]

I haven't been following this election. Are the Latinos and the gays fukking with Sanders?

 

[ezrathegreat]

...and then Coates said he's still voting for Bernie.

What other choice does he have?

 

[JahFocus CS]

What other choice does he have?

Vote for Hillary

or
Write-in a Melanoid candidate

 

[ADevilYouKhow]

I haven't been following this election. Are the Latinos and the gays fukking with Sanders?

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[No1]

A younger version of myself would probably be all in for Bernie, but I realize it's fantasy land. We don't live in and never will live in a world where everyone gets along. There will be winners and losers. Some complain about 1% controlling more than half the wealth, well guess what happens in socialism? It's going to be even worse. Your end goal shouldn't be complaining about other people making money, but to make sure you have the opportunity to succeed. Are you really going to waste time fighting for minimum wage hikes? How many years do you plan to work on a minimum wage job? What are you going to do as technology evolves to eliminate many of those jobs permanently? Stop wasting time on losing battles.

All I hear from Bernie and Hillary are about unjust criminal laws and high unemployment rates among African Americans. Now I agree some of the law for first time offenders are BS, but much of the issue comes down to money. Poor people can't afford proper representation and thus are at the mercy of the system. However, that is not the majority of black Americans. The average black American is a working tax payer just like anyone else in this country. Why isn't more time dedicated to talking about issues facing the majority non criminal employed blacks? Instead we have blacks with criminal records getting all the attention and exploited at the same time. They're exploited by the system and exploited by politicians that act like they care. In addition to the politicians you have "activist" that take up these causes to build their brand for financial gain. Does anyone ever get sick of the same cycle?

Some point out smaller European countries that have socialistic traits, but you can't compare them to America. Not only are these euro countries smaller but the USA is much more diverse than any of them. Looking at bigger euro countries like France you see they're having issues now with immigration. France has started to move to the right as it has become much more conservative in the past few years. Let's also be clear that many of these smaller euro countries rely on the USA to be the big brother if anything pops off. France can say slick stuff about America but if something were to happen, we're going to be the first ones they call.

A President no matter what side of the aisle isn't going to be able to do much for your personally. Unless your're 18 and under and never went through a election cycle, I don't see how people are still fooled by elections. Yes it's entertaining to watch like a football game, but that's about the extent of it. I definitely recommend voting and being active, but to get emotionally caught up is a waste of time.

This is a frustratingly oversimplified way of viewing the world, and none of the points you are making have anything to do with the specific policy issues of this election aside from the criminal justice system. You aired out your personal grievance about the world, but provided no facts to support and you just stated your conclusions as if they are facts. Look, I have spoken on everything here from race to class to europe vs. the US, etc. These are not issues that can be covered in one post and in the end all you ended up doing was making excuses for how the world is.

This is why Sanders fans go off on people, your entire spiel is "that's not the way the world works." The past 8 years are not how the US government is supposed to function but Republicans did not give a fukk. We just saw a leftist elected in Canada, we are watching that movement in the UK, and all over. "There will always be winners and loser." And who gets to decide the losers? Slaves were once losers. Women not being able to vote, etc. If your compelling argument is to be stagnant because the world is a fukked up place then you really have no business trying to convince anyone of anything, that is not a policy or an ideology that is the dressed up words of a quitter.

 

[JahFocus CS]

This is a frustratingly oversimplified way of viewing the world, and none of the points you are making have anything to do with the specific policy issues of this election aside from the criminal justice system. You aired out your personal grievance about the world, but provided no facts to support and you just stated your conclusions as if they are facts. Look, I have spoken on everything here from race to class to europe vs. the US, etc. These are not issues that can be covered in one post and in the end all you ended up doing was making excuses for how the world is.

This is why Sanders fans go off on people, your entire spiel is "that's not the way the world works." The past 8 years are not how the US government is supposed to function but Republicans did not give a fukk. We just saw a leftist elected in Canada, we are watching that movement in the UK, and all over. "There will always be winners and loser." And who gets to decide the losers? Slaves were once losers. Women not being able to vote, etc. If your compelling argument is to be stagnant because the world is a fukked up place then you really have no business trying to convince anyone of anything, that is not a policy or an ideology that is the dressed up words of a quitter.

I was gonna rebut that post but couldn't get past the stage.

 

[No1]

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yep i mentioned the same thing in another thread. whenever black people are brought up its about crime and justice. thats what i mean when i say bernie (and these politicians in general) dont care about you. its the pander show and they are saying what they need to get those votes.

the political game is just a case of voting for the lesser evil, especially if you are black

You keep stating your opinions as facts .

They are talking about crime because BLM is happening RIGHT NOW. Sanders has been saying the same shyt about jobs, money, prison, etc. for decades. Even when the crime bill was signed in 1994 he said this:



Stop thinking that being a cynic makes you cool or more knowledgeable, it just makes you a cynic. This is the shyt that makes me seem like some Sanders diehard--I cannot stand people who speak on shyt without facts and I have to respond. It drives me insane.

 

[Deutsche Bank]

Smart-dumb nikkas act like politics and economics are high school popularity contests.

There's a reason why infrastructure promises are constantly broken. If black men and women were employed building and repairing infrastructure, those are trades that can turn into careers and businesses. That would build the tax base, which would then build a voting bloc, which would then lead to the crown.

Instead, you're promised free snack-sized bullshyt. Free college, in an era where non-STEM degrees aren't leading to employment. Might as well promise free asbestos installation training. This like giving away free sardines instead of teaching a village how to catch salmon at sea.

If Obama had kept his first-term promise to invest in infrastructure, and provided training, jobs, and unionization to minorities, particularly at-risk, then by this time you would've had a new middle class like with FDR. Brehs would've been running their own businesses in the private sector and owning homes. They would've become a newly invigorated tax base that could become a strong voting bloc.

They could've provided health care for those govt employees and their children through taxation of their wages, and this system could've continued coverage for them once they entered the private sector. Dudes could've been trained and been building public housing for themselves once they finished their sentence while in prison on work furloughs.

Once they were released, they could have a job building infrastructure for the govt with a certain amount of subsidies for vehicles and first, last, and security on those housing units they got first dibs on. Who the fukk wants to sell dope and crack people upside the head when you got a car, crib, and a $30-40,000 job when you come outta the pen? Especially if you promise to put a nikka under the jail without parole in the instance of recidivism.

But candidates will never bring a New Deal for negroes. They'll keep promising free shyt through taxation that will lead to either inflation on goods and services, or a need for cheaper labor through immigration and outsourcing. And keep black folk believing politicians are saviors dropping manna from heaven instead of representatives of the business interests of voters.

 

[David_TheMan]

Any writer who talks about the political process as legitimate in helping ANYONE or group in this nation, any writer who talks about black americans as if we are a monolithic block, don't trust them. They are either brainwashed idiots and government mouthpieces.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

It's not true though because of the values those people place. For example,



Over 70% of white people in America don't have any black people in their social circle and do not consider black people their allies. There is no class consciousness in America. If there was, we wouldn't be having this conversation. All people in America think they are middle class and middle class white people don't fukk with black people like that.

I was not talking about people interacting or liking each other, just who has it better off. Class is a bigger driver of that IMO.

 

[Spin]

This is a frustratingly oversimplified way of viewing the world, and none of the points you are making have anything to do with the specific policy issues of this election aside from the criminal justice system. You aired out your personal grievance about the world, but provided no facts to support and you just stated your conclusions as if they are facts. Look, I have spoken on everything here from race to class to europe vs. the US, etc. These are not issues that can be covered in one post and in the end all you ended up doing was making excuses for how the world is.

This is why Sanders fans go off on people, your entire spiel is "that's not the way the world works." The past 8 years are not how the US government is supposed to function but Republicans did not give a fukk. We just saw a leftist elected in Canada, we are watching that movement in the UK, and all over. "There will always be winners and loser." And who gets to decide the losers? Slaves were once losers. Women not being able to vote, etc. If your compelling argument is to be stagnant because the world is a fukked up place then you really have no business trying to convince anyone of anything, that is not a policy or an ideology that is the dressed up words of a quitter.

"The past 8 years are not how the US government is supposed to function..." What is that all about? Sounds like an opinion to me. How is government supposed to function?

Look I have said repeatedly in previous posts that people need to get off their ass and learn a skill. I have never advocated being stagnant or throwing hands up in the air and giving up. What I'm saying is no one cares about your problems because everyone has their own problems to worry about. I brought up the criminal justice system because that's all Hillary or Bernie seem to care about when it comes to directly talking about blacks. My point is most blacks biggest issue isn't the criminal justice system.

Who gets to decide who the losers are? Each person is responsible for building their own skills to contribute to society. Some of those skills will be more sought after than others. If you choose something easy and not in demand in a given marketplace, expect the pay to reflect that. Despite all the BS, name another country where you can come up like you can here in the United States? Most people get caught up in the noise in the media and lose focus on improving their own life. If it's so great in Canada and UK, why not move there? If the answer is "well I can just up and move" then what can you do? The United States subscribes to a different system than both of those places.