Stop Bernie-Splaining to Black Voters

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Thing is, I'm probably a bigger Bernie fan than some of these Bernie fans on here...but I love him enough to know that he can't be president.

How come? He's currently running neck and neck with the inevtiable Hillary Clinton and beating all the republicans in the polls.

Did you think a black nan named Barack
Hussein Obama would be president in 2008? Or where you then saying he can't win?

Obama has flipped the script on who can be elected.
 
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The "Bernie-splaining" is necessary. He's the obvious best candidate for us but nikkas aren't listening. Its condescending? Sit your fukking pride down for a second and get over yourselves.

Pretty much this.

There are many times we can tell white people to stfu when trying to tell us what's in our best interest.

This aint one of them. There is a reason the most progressive educated blacks support Sanders. He's best for our interests. And voting for Clinton who has a history of using black votes to win election then turning her back on us once in power is stupid.

Any black person who makes less than 200k and votes for Clinton is stupid. Period.

This is no different than poor whites who vote for republicans who just want to help the rich.
 

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Stop Bernie-Splaining to Black Voters


This support for Clinton, particular among African-American voters, is for some perplexing and for others irritating.

I cannot tell you the number of people who have commented to me on social media that they don’t understand this support. “Don’t black folks understand that Bernie best represents their interests?” the argument generally goes. But from there, it can lead to a comparison between Sanders and the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.; to an assertion that Sanders is the Barack Obama that we really wanted and needed; to an exasperated “black people are voting against their interests” stance.

If only black people knew more, understood better, where the candidates stood — now and over their lifetimes — they would make a better choice, the right choice. The level of condescension in these comments is staggering.

Sanders is a solid candidate and his integrity and earnestness are admirable, but that can get lost in the noise of advocacy.

Tucked among all this Bernie-splaining by some supporters, it appears to me, is a not-so-subtle, not-so-innocuous savior syndrome and paternalistic patronage that I find so grossly offensive that it boggles the mind that such language should emanate from the mouths — or keyboards — of supposed progressives.

But then I am reminded that the idea that black folks are infantile and must be told what to do and what to think is not confined by ideological barriers. The ideological difference is that one side prefers punishment and the other pity, and neither is a thing in which most black folks delight.

It is not so much that black voters love Clinton and loathe Sanders. Indeed, in The Nation magazine, the estimable Michelle Alexander makes a strong case in an essay titled “Why Hillary Clinton Doesn’t Deserve the Black Vote.” For many there isn’t much passion for either candidate. Instead, black folks are trying to keep their feet planted in reality and choose from among politicians who have historically promised much and delivered little. It is often a choice between the devil you know and the one you don’t, or more precisely, among the friend who betrays you, the stranger who entices you and the enemy who seeks to destroy you.

It is not black folks who need to come to a new understanding, but those whose privileged gaze prevents them from seeing that black thought and consciousness is informed by a bitter history, a mountain of disappointment and an ocean of tears.

There is a passage by James Baldwin in his essay “Journey to Atlanta” that I believe explains some of the apprehension about Sanders’s grand plans in a way that I could never equal, and although it is long, I’m going to quote it here in full.

Of all Americans, Negroes distrust politicians most, or, more accurately, they have been best trained to expect nothing from them; more than other Americans, they are always aware of the enormous gap between election promises and their daily lives. It is true that the promises excite them, but this is not because they are taken as proof of good intentions. They are the proof of something more concrete than intentions: that the Negro situation is not static, that changes have occurred, and are occurring and will occur — this, in spite of the daily, dead-end monotony. It is this daily, dead-end monotony, though, as well as the wise desire not to be betrayed by too much hoping, which causes them to look on politicians with such an extraordinarily disenchanted eye.

This fatalistic indifference is something that drives the optimistic American liberal quite mad; he is prone, in his more exasperated moments, to refer to Negroes as political children, an appellation not entirely just. Negro liberals, being consulted, assure us that this is something that will disappear with “education,” a vast, all-purpose term, conjuring up visions of sunlit housing projects, stacks of copybooks and a race of well-soaped, dark-skinned people who never slur their R’s. Actually, this is not so much political irresponsibility as the product of experience, experience which no amount of education can quite efface.

Baldwin continues:

“Our people” have functioned in this country for nearly a century as political weapons, the trump card up the enemies’ sleeve; anything promised Negroes at election time is also a threat leveled at the opposition; in the struggle for mastery the Negro is the pawn.

Even black folks who don’t explicitly articulate this intuitively understand it.

History and experience have burned into the black American psyche a sort of functional pragmatism that will be hard to erase. It is a coping mechanism, a survival mechanism, and its existence doesn’t depend on others’ understanding or approval.

However, that pragmatism could work against the idealism of a candidate like Sanders.

Black folks don’t want to be “betrayed by too much hoping,” and Sanders’s proposals, as good as they sound, can also sound too good to be true. There is a whiff of fancifulness.


For instance, Sanders says that his agenda will require a Congress-flipping political revolution of like-minded voters, but so far, that revolution has yet to materialize. Just as in Iowa, in New Hampshire there were more voters — or caucusgoers — making choices in the Republican contest than in the Democratic one. That, so far, sounds more like a Republican revolution. If that trend holds for the rest of the primary season and into the general election, not only would Democrats not be likely pick up congressional seats, they could lose more of them.

That’s a stubborn fact emerging — a reality — and it is one that all voters, including black ones, shouldn’t be simply told to discount.

This is not to say that Clinton or Sanders is the better choice for Democrats this season, but simply that the way some of Sanders’s supporters have talked down to black voters does him a disservice, and makes clear their insensitivity to the cultural and experiential political knowledge that has accrued to the black electorate.
So here's the entire gist of the article: 1) Black voters are especially jaded and know that politicians make promises they can't keep, and this often leads to indifference and low turnout. 2) Bernie's policies will be difficult to accomplish unless there's high turnout. 3) Turnout has been lower than the Republicans so far so see, nothing is gonna change. But most importantly 4) STOP telling people to vote for Bernie, it won't do anything and its condescending.

:mindblown:

Nothing about WHY Clinton may be the better choice. Nothing about the significance of Bernie besting Hillary in polls vs Trump. No insight or anything deeper than another simple shaming technique from the Clinton Camp. Bernie bros, now Bernie-splaining. :dead: Insipid.
 

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The stans would do themselves a great favor by not insulting the intelligence of the people they want to support their guy.

"Vote for Bernie, you c00n" (or "dumb black bytch" one stan in particular may prefer) probably isn't going to convince a pro Hillary person that they should change their vote but being that Bernie stans are of a particular ilk, I don't think they will change any time soon. He's definitely gaining favor in spite of their "enthusiasm" as they call it.

I've never heard anyone say he's a savior.

He is however the best candidate EVER to get this far for black interests. And he would be immeasurably better than Hillary Clinton.

Voting for Clinton over Sanders is moronic unless you make over $200k
He's just the best candidate ever for black people, ok making some progress on the rhetoric I suppose :ehh:
 
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but being that Bernie stans are of a particular ilk, I don't think they will change any time soon. He's definitely gaining favor in spite of their "enthusiasm" as they call it.
Generalise Sanders advocates after complaining about generalisations about Clinton supporters brehs
 

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The stans would do themselves a great favor by not insulting the intelligence of the people they want to support their guy.

"Vote for Bernie, you c00n" (or "dumb black bytch" one stan in particular may prefer) probably isn't going to convince a pro Hillary person that they should change their vote but being that Bernie stans are of a particular ilk, I don't think they will change any time soon. He's definitely gaining favor in spite of their "enthusiasm" as they call it.


He's just the best candidate ever for black people, ok making some progress on the rhetoric I suppose :ehh:
@ me you sneak dissing bytch. Still bent out of shape because I called some dumb bytches dumb bytches. Any female who goes on national tv and says she's voting for Hillary because she's a woman and and also says that she has"done a ton for the black community" is a dumb bytch. Edit the words if you want, you menstrating fukk. Can't call a spade a spade anymore? Funny how some of you can't make any legitimate arguments for Hillary anymore and literally just spend all of that time crying about Bernie supporters because they refuse to play your shytty little games. If someone's intelligence needs to be called into question, then let it be so. I'm not going to wear kids gloves with stupid people just because they're fukking stupid. Not to be an internet tough guy, but I'm not a nice person in real life, so fukk your feelings about it.

tl;dr eat shyt :yeshrug:
 

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@ me you sneak dissing bytch. Still bent out of shape because I called some dumb bytches dumb bytches. Any female who goes on national tv and says she's voting for Hillary because she's a woman and and also says that she has"done a ton for the black community" is a dumb bytch. Edit the words if you want, you menstrating fukk. Can't call a spade a spade anymore? Funny how some of you can't make any legitimate arguments for Hillary anymore and literally just spend all of that time crying about Bernie supporters because they refuse to play your shytty little games. If someone's intelligence needs to be called into question, then let it be so. I'm not going to wear kids gloves with stupid people just because they're fukking stupid. Not to be an internet tough guy, but I'm not a nice person in real life, so fukk your feelings about it.

tl;dr eat shyt :yeshrug:
No need to at you, I knew you'd come calling like a moth to flame :wow: Nobody bent out of shape you the one writing paragraphs :heh: bernie has that Reddit demo on lock :whew:

Generalise Sanders advocates after complaining about generalisations about Clinton supporters brehs
We spell it with a z over here. :ufdup:



And I'm talking about the stans, so I'm generalizing a group of his "advocates" ( a class you and a couple on here just so happen to fall in :smile: )

But I guess since you ignored the rest of my post you agree that the tactics of your comrades could use some seasoning.
 

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Honestly if you are voting for Hillary, I will have to assume you are a c00n.

She last night admitted to being a neo-con and viewed Henry Kissinger as the go to on foreign policy

This is the same Henry Kissinger who:

1. Supported the Apartheid regime in South Africa
2. Destabilized various ani-west regimes in Africa

There is a shyt ton more evil he has done but these specifically do with blacks
 

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You'd be surprised at how many blacks too :mjpls:

I think Bernie is the best of the candidates we have available but nikkas on here really propping him up as the savior for black people. He don't care about us, he thinks class > race and Coates exposed him for this.


This is exactly how I feel...

None of these candidates give a fukk about us, they're all pandering for the black vote like politicians always do around election season...

Bernie was pandering hard last night as was Hillary...but at least with Bernie you get the impression he's a bit more genuine...Also Bernie's proposed policies do stand to benefit us more than Hillary and her private prison partners...

No point in even mentioning the republicans...the republican field is a bunch of extremist racists and they don't even try to hide it...I'm still :mjlol:@ that dumb c00n mothafukka at the trump rally who got tight when Trump shook all the white hands in the from row and completely ignored his ass...

Its not rocket science to figure out who the lesser evil is here...:yeshrug:
 
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he thinks class > race

It is

You can point to some specific examples but overall middle class blacks are doing way better than lower class whites. Check the suicide rates

And politicians of both sides have used race as a wedge to drive their agenda. When cronyism is in effect it doesn't care what race of people it's screwing over. Black people are just starting from a much worse off point. But even if a politician "cared about us" what could they realistically do over 1 or 2 presidential terms to catch us up after HUNDREDS OF YEARS BEHIND anyway?
 

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Who's knocking on your door? People who post on forums and Reddit too much for your liking? That's "people knocking on your door?" Too many people who like Bernie too enthusiastically on the Internet?

You sound an awful lot like the the people who choose to hate bands because they're "too popular." If there's too much Bernie shyt on the Reddit front page, then unsubscribe from some subreddits and keep it moving. Literally nobody is forcing you to listen, much less respond.
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Fact of the matter is maybe some people need to be more educated on Bernie Sanders political ideologies and accomplishments. I'm not saying that all of his standpoints are perfect or even in line with my own thinking, but they definitely align more than Hilary Clinton ever did. It's insane how tonedeaf Black people are sometimes as soon as you hear 'Clinton'. There's no way she should have this much of the Black vote.
 

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It is

You can point to some specific examples but overall middle class blacks are doing way better than lower class whites. Check the suicide rates

And politicians of both sides have used race as a wedge to drive their agenda. When cronyism is in effect it doesn't care what race of people it's screwing over. Black people are just starting from a much worse off point. But even if a politician "cared about us" what could they realistically do over 1 or 2 presidential terms to catch us up after HUNDREDS OF YEARS BEHIND anyway?
This is not really true. Black people who make six figures end up living in neighborhoods where people make 40k. Define "lower class" whites. I mean if you mean those people in trailer parks then sure.
 
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