straight up, we are SPOILED right now with the product
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The problem ISN'T the wrestling, it's the starpower 
wait a minute....you dont think the WWF of the 80s and early 90s was guilty of overproduced, weak angles? Cmon, bruh...
The problem ISN'T the wrestling, it's the starpower
Only true star of that era was hogan....maybe savage. Everyone seemed larger than life because you were a kid, and 99% of the wrestlers had chemically enhanced, cartoonish bodies that eventually killed many of them.
How many actual Stars/Household names are there now? Cena......and?The problem ISN'T the wrestling, it's the starpower
The angles from the late 80s and 90s had excellent long standing and revered storylines. Rick Rude wearing Jake's wife on his tights..Jake the Snake shytting on Macho Man and luring him to the ring for the Cobra bite with the big ass "X" symbol on the screen with the words "CENSORED" covering the whole thing up
...Million Dollar Man making all of those kids do disgusting shyt for a $100 bill...the Virgil rebellion storyline that led to a HUGE pop at Rumble once....Mr. Perfect and his skits...Macho Man taking out Ricky Steamboat so convincingly....Earthquake attacking Hogan and having kids crying..shyt like that. Kayfabe was so strong at that point that it all worked beautifully. Even the ridiculous Papa Shango/Warrior feud where the black goo came down Warrior's face during the promo. It was good thinking and unique angles.
...Million Dollar Man making all of those kids do disgusting shyt for a $100 bill...the Virgil rebellion storyline that led to a HUGE pop at Rumble once....Mr. Perfect and his skits...Macho Man taking out Ricky Steamboat so convincingly....Earthquake attacking Hogan and having kids crying..shyt like that. Kayfabe was so strong at that point that it all worked beautifully. Even the ridiculous Papa Shango/Warrior feud where the black goo came down Warrior's face during the promo. It was good thinking and unique angles.
The angles from the late 80s and 90s had excellent long standing and revered storylines. Rick Rude wearing Jake's wife on his tights..Jake the Snake shytting on Macho Man and luring him to the ring for the Cobra bite with the big ass "X" symbol on the screen with the words "CENSORED" covering the whole thing up
you're cherry picking the few good angles from a 6 year period, and lol at the warrior/shango angle being good. That angle was an artistic and financial disaster.
No, no, no..Warrior vs Shango wasn't good because for one..I was never a Warrior fan and I never gave a damn but it was a big deal for kids and that's who he was geared towards. Everyone knows about that storyline and that image. It's part of history. It's part of the times. There's MUCH more than that..it's not cherry picking..it was the golden era..the Mega Powers storyline..Money Inc..the Heenan Family...all of that shyt. Jumping Bomb Angels were fukking EXCELLENT. The Undertaker's original push was big time. The thinking lines and the booking of this stuff went far and was not "stop and go". None of that gay shyt we see today. They want to push Bryan..they push him but they kind of don't want to push Ziggler or anyone else at the same time except for two guys who has been pushed for YEARS in the Big Show and Blandy. Same ol shyt. Same gimmick. Even with all of this, the trolls of this site want to give Cripple H, a non draw if I ever saw one, all of the credit. So that's all fukked up too
That angle literally exposed the business to me like "this some fake ass shyt
" so corny
That angle literally exposed the business to me like "this some fake ass shyt
Yeah....a couple of years ago, I downloaded all the wrestling observers up to the mid-90s. I would read them, and peep the angles on youtube to get a visual sense of what was being discussed. The shango/warrior angle was reviled at the time, and financially led to an immediate cratering of business. Steep drop off. Shango was penciled as a potential main event heel, and within months he was completely gone. Thats how bad the angle flopped. The television execution was laughable, and if anything even close to that bad was aired today the internet would implode in outrage.
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Yeah I agree with you on the in-ring content but the dudes in that era all had character and their promos were gold. Jake vs. Andre was not a great match but it was a spectacle. Same with Million Dollar Man bringing out the newly created belt and shaking hands with Trump prior to facing Beefcake. Akeem and Bossman were a great superheavyweight team against the speedy Rockers. Like that contrast. Warrior vs. Rude w/Heenan is another one where the characters make it more than what it is in-ring wise...
I agree that weak angles happened in every era, but I do think they're more common now. Unoriginal angles are definitely a bigger problem now than they were back then. Things get rehashed.
I'm talking about everything being scripted and rehearsed these days to the point of sounding too polished and fake. It's not raw enough now.
Back in the day dudes were cutting promos on the fly, they were just given a few talking points for an angle and they ran with it. They had to really get into their roles and understand their characters to do it right. It gave everything a sense of realism that you rarely see now, because the dude cutting the promo is gonna understand that character better than any writer.
Randy Savage ... imagine if he had writers scripting his promos? It would have sucked, because that dude just submerged himself into what he was saying and basically became that character. He understood it. He was completely intense and hiliarious at the same time, and he seemed to be genuinely out of his mind. The way things are done now, nobody is ever gonna touch that. Jake Roberts is another one who would have suffered if his promos were written by someone else. Hogan too.
Hogan and Savage are bigger stars than EVERYONE from this era regardless of how old I am. Vince currently would KILL for a new talent that had Hogan's momentum or Macho Man's engaging personality. Look what he gave Lesnar in less than two years even when guys like Benoit, Mysterio, Angle, HHH, Taker, Cena, HBK, Hogan, Show, Booker, Guerrero, JBL, Kane, Rock, Austin, Flair, Y2J, RVD, etc. were STILL around.
There were characters that were distinct and over with the crowd and storylines (no matter how good or bad, at least management was trying to do something w/ them) going on from top to bottom of the card. Today's WWE has been coasting with only 1 or 2 storylines at a time while everyone else shuffles in the midcard. Case in point: Ziggler, Truth, Miz, Kofi, Axel, Barrett, Cara, All Divas even AJ, Wyatt, Gabriel, Ryder, Kidd, Sandow, Big E, Tag Teams.....
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The problem ISN'T the wrestling, it's the starpower
THIS.
John Cena can't wrestle any better than Hogan could. It doesnt matter if you can go an hour in the ring if you're not over.
I'm sure Del Rio is better than half the WM 6 roster, but I don't like him so I don't/won't watch his matches.
Comparing today's stars to Hulk Hogan is a non-starter. He's the most important wrestling star of all time, of course. Same with Rock and Austin who fill out the mount rushmore of wrestling.... The rest is just nostalgia re-writing. Cena is absolutely on par with Savage, and you noticably left out guys like Punk and Daniel bryant whose characters have been well developed, and as successful, as anyone in the past outside of the major, crossover superstars.