straight up, we are SPOILED right now with the product

[No_bammer_weed]

I agree that weak angles happened in every era, but I do think they're more common now. Unoriginal angles are definitely a bigger problem now than they were back then. Things get rehashed.

I'm talking about everything being scripted and rehearsed these days to the point of sounding too polished and fake. It's not raw enough now.

Back in the day dudes were cutting promos on the fly, they were just given a few talking points for an angle and they ran with it. They had to really get into their roles and understand their characters to do it right. It gave everything a sense of realism that you rarely see now, because the dude cutting the promo is gonna understand that character better than any writer.

Randy Savage ... imagine if he had writers scripting his promos? It would have sucked, because that dude just submerged himself into what he was saying and basically became that character. He understood it. He was completely intense and hiliarious at the same time, and he seemed to be genuinely out of his mind. The way things are done now, nobody is ever gonna touch that. Jake Roberts is another one who would have suffered if his promos were written by someone else. Hogan too.

I think you're confusing the 80s with the attitude era...the attitude era was more of an off-the-cuff, from the seat of your pants era of promos and angles that you're referencing. 80s was a pretty tightly controlled product, where wrestlers had to work within a narrow, cartoonish, framework.

 

[Mr.Black]

 

[Lucky Millionaire]

Comparing today's stars to Hulk Hogan is a non-starter. He's the most important wrestling star of all time, of course. Same with Rock and Austin who fill out the mount rushmore of wrestling.... The rest is just nostalgia re-writing. Cena is absolutely on par with Savage, and you noticably left out guys like Punk and Daniel bryant whose characters have been well developed, and have been as successful as anyone in the past outside of the major, crossover superstars.

It actually isn't when Cena has been top dog as long as Hogan has and tv ratings, house show attendance, and mainstream consciousness hasn't been this low since 95-97. The only difference between now and then is jacked up PPV prices and number of homes that have PPV. Cena on par with Savage? Wrestling wise no popularity wise there is a discussion there but Macho Man will go down as a top 10-(15 at worst) wrestling figure who is remembered w/ reverence and nostalgia while Cena will go down as the most hated top face in WWE history no matter how Vince tries to spin it.

You're preaching to the choir on Punk and Bryan as I've defended them many times on here but Bryan's ceiling is unknown while Punk might have reached his. The aim for Punk and Bryan is not to just stop at being "wrestling popular" it is to become major CROSSOVER superstars that casual fans will know and pay money to see. They're both kind of inconsistent in that regard. Hogan, Austin and Rock's starpower allowed Vince to kill off a Ted Turner led WCW, get carny ass pro wrestling on MTV and other entertainment outlets, and made Vince a billionaire wrestling promoter on the fukking NASDAQ. Only one man has been able to somewhat maintain that momentum and even that is a stretch.

 

[Hoss]

I think you're confusing the 80s with the attitude era...the attitude era was more of an off-the-cuff, from the seat of your pants era of promos and angles that you're referencing. 80s was a pretty tightly controlled product, where wrestlers had to work within a narrow, cartoonish, framework.

Scripting of promos was more common during the Attitude Era than during the 80s. I'm pretty sure Vince didn't even employ writers in the 80s, and "creative teams" didn't exist. It was just Vince and probably a couple other dudes in consultation with the wrestlers themselves.

The 80s had more cartoonish, one-dimensional characters especially in the midcard, but even those dudes were responsible for their own promos.

 

[No_bammer_weed]

It actually isn't when Cena has been top dog as long as Hogan has and tv ratings, house show attendance, and mainstream consciousness hasn't been this low since 95-97. The only difference between now and then is jacked up PPV prices and number of homes that have PPV. Cena on par with Savage? Wrestling wise no popularity wise there is a discussion there but Macho Man will go down as a top 10-(15 at worst) wrestling figure who is remembered w/ reverence and nostalgia while Cena will go down as the most hated top face in WWE history no matter how Vince tries to spin it.

You're preaching to the choir on Punk and Bryan as I've defended them many times on here but Bryan's ceiling is unknown while Punk might have reached his. The aim for Punk and Bryan is not to just stop at being "wrestling popular" it is to become major CROSSOVER superstars that casual fans will know and pay money to see. They're both kind of inconsistent in that regard. Hogan, Austin and Rock's starpower allowed Vince to kill off a Ted Turner led WCW, get carny ass pro wrestling on MTV and other entertainment outlets, and made Vince a billionaire wrestling promoter on the fukking NASDAQ. Only one man has been able to somewhat maintain that momentum and even that is a stretch.

Cant make up your own set of facts....the wwf of the mid 90s was losing millions of dollars a year. The wwe of today is organization whose profits are in the hundreds of millions of dollars. True, wwe has developed revenue streams that werent accessible before, but Vince signed a cable distribution deal that brings them close to 100m gross, and that contract was struck with Cena as the face of the company. And they will ask for more when that deal is up next year.

Cena is absolutely a bigger star than Savage was at this point in their respective careers. Savage now is the more iconic and known figure, but thats after a full career, post-retirement, and death....We'll see where Cena stands in 10-15 years.

 

[HamAndEgger]

so, coming from the youtube upload thread, i've been slowly rewatching my favorite PPV ever, Wrestlemania V..and brehs...it might not be anymore


We are SPOILED with the likes of a ppv card where the worst guy in ring is Ryback. Ryback is ALLAH compared to the bushwackers, RONNIE FREAKIN GARVIN...Dino BRAVO...the fabulous rugeau bros...the ghost of andre the giant...the mid to undercard during this era were generic body builders who couldn't work move a dang thing. GARVIN's signature move...was the GARVIN STOMP..what the HELL.

The 3rd biggest act in the fed was demolition..true legends....straight up these dudes was through and through...at least they could sell but they wouldn't even be jobbers today.

and i'm not even talking about new-generation..i'm talking GOLDEN era...Dolph zigger would be SAVAGE back then...

the top tier workers (savage, the rockers, bret hart, rick rude, the brain busters, perfect, blue blazer) were super legit but below that...wtf

 

[dh86]

In any other era the past 30 years, there were options other than WWE

 

[tremonthustler1]

And.. this is the absolute worst era of personality's and being able to tell a story and make it entertaining. Nobody gives a shyt about 90% of the wrestlers and what they are doing so the 3-5* matches are worthless. Every time u watch a promo it's feels like they are holding a script or playing a character none of it is believable or feels real like it was back in the day.

cuz it was real to you dammit

How believable would Andre the Giant be with a Twitter account?

How fearful would you be of Yokozuna if he had Instagram

Would you hate Papa Shango so much if he was walking around with a pink skull (for breast cancer, you know)

Real life fukks with the wrestling fantasy (no homo)

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

any cena savage comparisons need to end indefinitely

 

[Da King]

And the entire wrestling biz was basically an extension of the KKK it was so racist

 

[Ed MOTHERFUCKING G]

any cena savage comparisons need to end indefinitely

Who the fukk did that? As HYPERBOLE i said dolph

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

Who the fukk did that? As HYPERBOLE i said dolph

nah im talking about that dude bammer..saying oh lets wait till cena's career is over to see if he tops savage...while implying (perhaps) that his death elevated his legacy...

cena will never ever ever top or be equal to savage regardless of any accomplishment possible, ever.

 

[Ed MOTHERFUCKING G]

nah im talking about that dude bammer..saying oh lets wait till cena's career is over to see if he tops savage...while implying (perhaps) that his death elevated his legacy...

cena will never ever ever top or be equal to savage regardless of any accomplishment possible, ever.

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

Cena is absolutely a bigger star than Savage was at this point in their respective careers. Savage now is the more iconic and known figure, but thats after a full career, post-retirement, and death....We'll see where Cena stands in 10-15 years.

 

[Ed MOTHERFUCKING G]

Cena is absolutely a bigger star than Savage was at this point in their respective careers. Savage now is the more iconic and known figure, but thats after a full career, post-retirement, and death....We'll see where Cena stands in 10-15 years