Strictly from a Production standpoint, the 2000s are the Golden Age of Hip-Hop

[NotaPAWG]

Nah, still the 90s

2000s had bangers that were timeless but in the 2010s, anybody could recreate those beats. it took advantage of technology that wasn't readily available to the vast majority of people at the time

Try and get dudes to recreate Rza/Havoc tracks from the 90s and shyt aint happening at all because to this day, 20+ years later, dudes still cant recreate em

I feel like the 80s & 90s forced producers to be more creative & think more outside the box because shyt was so limited

Kinda like how in electrnonic music you had guys like Frank Tovey using chainsaws and shyt in their music. You don't really hear or see artist like that today because artists aren't forced to be creative on their own when they can just google a bunch of stuff to get ideas

 

[mobbinfms]

fukk yes....too many of you will bring mcing into the mix but production was better in the 2000's....

Better how?

 

[West Coast Avenger]

It depends what your opinion of quintessential production is IMO

I value different qualities in a higher standpoint than what was displayed in the 2000s ..... Theres an endless amount of anthems that came out in the 2000s that i love, but because of the different qualities I value more in production, I would have to say the 90s still reign surpeme

Its all dependent of what you feel makes a hot beat

I was a high schooler in the 90's....have love for all that shyt...but production in the 2000's was heavy.....

 

[H. Selassie]

Try and get dudes to recreate Rza/Havoc tracks from the 90s and shyt aint happening at all because to this day, 20+ years later, dudes still cant recreate em

Ok and try to get cats to recreate some of the out of this world Music Skateboard P and Timbo were doing. Same deal.

fukk no

 

[Cheese McNair]

No.

Even if Heatmakerz helped make some of my favorite music you have to understand the context of 80s & 90s producers.. They work working with such limited equipment

Back then shyt like Mpcs were not common to the average person. Wasn't nearly as accessible as they were in the 00sz E

I get the context but that also helps OP the point. Production was SUPPOSE to get better over time. Are you saying that it never did?

 

[West Coast Avenger]

Better how?

Were u not around at that time?....Was Dilla & Madlib not killing it?....Did Alchemist not step his game up?....Was the South not nice on that production tip at the time??....I smoke a shyt load of weed but I don't forget any of that....Kanye to the Heatmakerz all dropped heat....I could go on....

 

[NotaPAWG]

I get the context but that also helps OP the point. Production was SUPPOSE to get better over time. Are you saying that it never did?

But has it?

What producers are making mind blowing instrumental albums like cats like Dilla & DJ Shadow?

And Not to me it doesn't. Expounding on something doesn't make who ever "furthered" it or it itself better than the OG Because the later worked off of their pallet that was already set up

 

[Cheese McNair]

I think if you gather the best production from the 90s, 00s, and 10s, you'll see that production improved with technology. All depends on your taste. Some folks like the production of the 90s. I do agree with you OP but that's my taste. I didnt mind the snap beats. Dem Franchise Boys production still makes me wanna lean with it.

I was just listening to Hood Hop the other day too. Not the album, the Hood Hop track. I think that beat is nasty.

My favorite 90s production is either Badu's first joint or ATLiens.

 

[West Coast Avenger]

I think if you gather the best production from the 90s, 00s, and 10s, you'll see that production improved with technology. All depends on your taste. Some folks like the production of the 90s. I do agree with you OP but that's my taste. I didnt mind the snap beats. Dem Franchise Boys production still makes me wanna lean with it.

I was just listening to Hood Hop the other day too. Not the album, just the one song. I think that beat is nasty.

My favorite 90s production is either Badu's first joint or ATLiens.

Exactly....

 

[Cheese McNair]

But has it?

What producers are making mind blowing instrumental albums like cats like Dilla & DJ Shadow?

And Not to me it doesn't. Expounding on something doesn't make who ever "furthered" it or it itself better than the OG Because the later worked off of their pallet that was already set up

That depends on what you like. I think it has. You mention Dilla and DJ Shadow but what about Timbaland's 00s production or Justice League? You don't think those guys ever came up with mindblowing production? If not, then that's just your preference.

 

[hex]

Ok and try to get cats to recreate some of the out of this world Music Skateboard P and Timbo were doing. Same deal.

It's not really the same thing. If you put RZA....I mean prime RZA....into a studio in let's say 1994 with equipment from 2005 all he'd have to do is learn how to use it.

If you put Pharrell or Timbo in a studio in 1994 with the same equipment RZA had they could learn it....but making beats is another topic entirely. Because the hurdles back then (limited tracks, limited memory on equipment, short as fukk sample time, etc.) would severely hamper their ability to produce music.

This is what RZA had to go through to make one sound on one beat for "Only Built For Cuban Linx":

Raekwon, The Making of “Only Built 4 Cuban Linx…” - XXL

RZA, discussing the beat for "Guillotine": This is me trying to imitate the sound Isaac Hayes did on “Do Your Thing.” That da-na-na-na-na, I found a way to imitate that shyt. When you plug the Yamaha VL7 [keyboard] up to a MPC [sampler], because of the note cutoff of the MPC, it cause the notes to stutter, ’cause it don’t link up perfect. I heard it and I could reproduce it, but only with those two machines. I had the prototype from Yamaha ’cause I didn’t want nobody else to get it.

It's like....I dunno if you're a fan of cinema, but a modern director like Christopher Nolan could easily do "2001" (the movie, not the album) with today's technology....could he do it like Stanley Kubrick did in 1968? No....it would be virtually impossible for him. Kubrick could eat in 2016, though. He's ate with a hell of a lot less at his disposal.

Fred.

 

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[mobbinfms]

Were u not around at that time?....Was Dilla & Madlib not killing it?....Did Alchemist not step his game up?....Was the South not nice on that production tip at the time??....I smoke a shyt load of weed but I don't forget any of that....Kanye to the Heatmakerz all dropped heat....I could go on....

None of these guys hold a candle to Havoc, RZA, Primo, Dre, Q-Tip, Pete Rock, etc.

I'm not saying Dilla and Madlib and ALC didn't have crazy beats at this time, but you really wanna go song for song?

The South

 

[West Coast Avenger]

None of these guys hold a candle to Havoc, RZA, Primo, Dre, Q-Tip, Pete Rock, etc.

I'm not saying Dilla and Madlib and ALC didn't have crazy beats at this time, but you really wanna go song for song?

The South

Production from the South at that time was ....if you're gonna hate that's fine....but I can't respect your opinion if you really trying to shyt on the south's production....

 

[hex]

Were u not around at that time?....Was Dilla & Madlib not killing it?....Did Alchemist not step his game up?....Was the South not nice on that production tip at the time??....I smoke a shyt load of weed but I don't forget any of that....Kanye to the Heatmakerz all dropped heat....I could go on....

Dilla is a 90's producer. Dude produced more from '95-2000 than he did in the entirety of his later solo career.

Alc and Madlib technically debuted in the 90's but we can let that slide.

I would put prime Dungeon Family (Organized Noize and Earthtone III) beats up against anything from the south 00's.

It's not that the 00's were wack....but it's being compared to a time when not only did every region have their own sound, every region was arguably at their peak.

Fred.