Student Loans shouldn't be forgiven. We should focus on cost.

[Ozymandeas]

its not "my argument", it's how life works

you know what my position is? if you chose to invest in an education and partying for 4 years, you should pay it the fukk back. but to deal with costs, we should cut everyones balance in half and kill all the interest. what is unreasonable about any of that?

and whats your argument for my idea to cut everyone between age 21-50 a check for 50k, instead of loan forgiveness? whats your argument against that? why do you hate people who didnt go to college?

So why you were okay with the Trump tax cuts? When it came to rich people getting money, you were praising all of the benefits it would bring the American economy even though tax payers footed the bill but when it comes to student loan debt, you don’t seem to care about the benefits it would bring — you immediately say it’s not fair and talk about the deficit, why

are you guys really gonna act like the tax cut did nothing to spur hiring? cutting some costs and regulations does nothing to spur hiring? that's just embarrassing

I’m pretty sure we can’t give every American $50,000. It would be nice. But this same government could barely give $1,200 and a weekly $600 payment. The Department of Education can easily choose to discharge federal student loan debt though and cost wise it’s cheaper than the Cares Act

 

[Payday23]

If we're going to talk unfair what about non married and no kids having Americans having to pay more in taxes? Foh

 

[the cac mamba]

So why you were okay with the Trump tax cuts? When it came to rich people getting money, you were praising all of the benefits it would bring the American economy even though tax payers footed the bill but when it comes to student loan debt, you don’t seem to care about the benefits it would bring — you immediately say it’s not fair and talk about the deficit, why



I’m pretty sure we can’t give every American $50,000. It would be nice. But this same government could barely give $1,200 and a weekly $600 payment. The Department of Education can easily choose to discharge federal student loan debt though and cost wise it’s cheaper than the Cares Act

this is pathetic posting

are you denying that statement you dug up? you're saying that there are zero positive aspects of the tax cut?

 

[Ozymandeas]

this is pathetic posting

are you denying that statement you dug up? you're saying that there are zero positive aspects of the tax cut?

This is a pathetic response to something YOU wrote You cool with $2 trillion in tax cuts for the rich but you clutching your purse strings over a $1.7 trillion bill for college graduates. GTFOH.

 

[the cac mamba]

This is a pathetic response to something YOU wrote You cool with $2 trillion in tax cuts for the rich but you clutching your purse strings over a $1.7 trillion bill for college graduates. GTFOH.

i was against the tax cut, you fukkin retard

what you quoted is me saying there were positive aspects of it. because there were

 

[Ozymandeas]

i was against the tax cut, you fukkin retard

what you quoted is me saying there were positive aspects of it. because there were

But there’s no positive aspects of a student loan stimulus huh? You're transparent. You posted hella studies about why Trump’s tax cuts were good for America too

 

[the cac mamba]

But there’s no positive aspects of a student loan stimulus huh? You're transparent. You posted hella studies about why Trump’s tax cuts were good for America too

i never said that

stop putting words in my mouth, you fukkin retard

 

[Mr Hate Coffee]

I honestly don’t get how student loan debt forgiveness is different than anything else we pay for and don’t use personally. People without children don’t get dependent tax breaks or people without mortgages don’t get mortgage interest deductions. Lol but no one ever says “not my fault I didn’t have kids or buy a house”.

This shouldn’t be glossed over and should be the first talking point the opposing side has to answer for on this issue.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

first of all, fukk lawyers and leave them out of this grouping america has WAY too many laws and way too many lawyers with a vested interest in keeping people suing. that shyt is detrimental to society at this point

i dont even understand your post tho. no one NEEDS to go to grad school to be a teacher or a social worker and doctors and dentists seem to have done just fine up to this point, having chosen to invest in that lucrative career path

if you want to make it cheaper to be a doctor then why arent doctors lobbying for that? because frankly, the way that hospitals operate and bill, i have a hard time sympathizing with that shyt either

You absolutely do need advanced degrees in social work if you don’t want to be stuck in the bullshyt social work roles that tap out at 30-45k/yr.

I can say my mom’s job that she got without a college degree in the 80’s “strongly preferred” entry level candidates with a masters degree - so yes, degree inflation has made a grad degree a “strongly preferred credential” in roles where common sense says it not necessary.

as far as forgiving grad school debt, if it’s a federal loan, it doesnt matter. And plenty of other people take out federal student loans for shyt like nursing and other medical support fields, that shyt costs a grip for some roles that will make nice money but not six figures.

 

[the cac mamba]

You absolutely do need advanced degrees in social work if you don’t want to be stuck in the bullshyt social work roles that tap out at 30-45k/yr.

I can say my mom’s job that she got without a college degree in the 80’s “strongly preferred” entry level candidates with a masters degree - so yes, degree inflation has made a grad degree a “strongly preferred credential” in roles where common sense says it not necessary.

as far as forgiving grad school debt, if it’s a federal loan, it doesnt matter. And plenty of other people take out federal student loans for shyt like nursing and other medical support fields, that shyt costs a grip for some roles that will make nice money but not six figures.

well thats why we should cut everyones balance in half it takes their earning potential and different choices of degrees into account

let me ask you something: take 2 people who graduated in 2018, one ended up with 15k in loans because they went to a state school and one owes 50k and makes more money because they went to a private school and got a better degree

you dont feel just a tad bit ridiculous saying we should pay their loans off equally

 

[Rawtid]

well thats why we should cut everyones balance in half it takes their earning potential and different choices of degrees into account

let me ask you something: take 2 people who graduated in 2018, one ended up with 15k in loans because they went to a state school and one owes 50k and makes more money because they went to a private school and got a better degree

you dont feel just a tad bit ridiculous saying we should pay their loans off equally

LOL Why are you trying to get into specific situations? If the forgiveness amount is $10k, the one with the lesser degree still owes $5k and the other owes $40k I'd feel more ridiculous cutting everyone a check in the amount of forgiveness, as you've suggested in the past.

 

[Ozymandeas]

i never said that

stop putting words in my mouth, you fukkin retard

I’m not putting words in your mouth, I’m quoting what YOU WROTE, goddamn you’re stupid

When it came to Trump’s tax cuts you were like “guys let’s look past everything and see the benefits it brought”

When it comes to student loans your immediate response is “fukk them kids”

Your logic is not consistent. You’re transparent

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

well thats why we should cut everyones balance in half it takes their earning potential and different choices of degrees into account

let me ask you something: take 2 people who graduated in 2018, one ended up with 15k in loans because they went to a state school and one owes 50k and makes more money because they went to a private school and got a better degree

you dont feel just a tad bit ridiculous saying we should pay their loans off equally

I’m not sure what you’re even talking about at this point. If everyone is getting 10k, why does this matter? The person with the better degree and more debt still has more to pay back, But they’re both better off. if everyone is getting 50k, they’re both debt free, again why does it matter?

 

[the cac mamba]

I’m not putting words in your mouth, I’m quoting what YOU WROTE, goddamn you’re stupid

When it came to Trump’s tax cuts you were like “guys let’s look past everything and see the benefits it brought”

When it comes to student loans your immediate response is “fukk them kids”

Your logic is not consistent. You’re transparent

i said "there were positives to the tax cuts" and you turned it into me supporting the tax cuts

intellectual banktuptcy

 

[the cac mamba]

I’m not sure what you’re even talking about at this point. If everyone is getting 10k, why does this matter? The person with the better degree and more debt still has more to pay back, But they’re both better off. if everyone is getting 50k, they’re both debt free, again why does it matter?

you already slipped up and admitted that you want to throw all of this out if it comes with means testing