Super Mario 3D World Bombing Unappreciation (or appreciation?) Thread

[BlvdBrawler]

Fzero is done..

but again to my point you're asking for rehashed games from 1992 and stuff...i mean really...do you wonder why nobody is motivated to buy a Wii-U?

Maybe they can come out with another earthbound or pilotwings game while we're here...haven't seen a new Dr. Mario game...how about mario teaches typing-U? Gotta have that too

I'd.... actually... buy another Pilotwings game....

 

[Kodie]

he made some good moves but its like a sports team that peaks under a certain coach. at some point you have to fire the coach and get new blood with new ideas in there. hell keep him as a consultant. even Sony had to drop the father of the Playstation Ken Kutaragi at one point.

If Phil Jackson brought you three rings, you don't toss him after the one season he didn't get you a ring. Especially before that season is over. I'm not saying he's the best man for the job, especially long term. I'm just saying, let's not be so hasty.

 

[Champion]

Iwata has to go. He's steering the titanic into the iceberg unwavering with a slow and steady hand. With everything falling apart around him his response is we'll just keep doing what we've done for decades and if we keep doing that things will right themselves eventually.

Nintendo's next system after the Wii should have been a console / portable hybrid that could plug up to the TV or be played on the go with the same games either way. Instead they made a console / portable hybrid that's tethered to the console side and isn't portable.

Let's slow down. I disagree with a lot of Iwata's decision and his approval rating by investors has gone down 3 years in a row, but he was very hands on and influential with the Wii and DS. Both sold like crazy and Nintendo was making bank. He deserves another chance just off the strength of last gen.

And if motion controls was just a flash in the pan gimmick then MS and Sony wouldnt be investing money in their own versions of it. They have a bad product on the market right now. Its happened before and will happen again if they continue to take chances with hardware. I personally think they should stop and be more innovative with software. You can't make the type of money they did last gen and end it with only buying a company that makes niche titles.

They either continue to do things like off-screen play and motion controls or put resources into getting more notable AAA on their hardware. The former has shown that it doesnt work

 

[Kodie]

Fzero is done..

 

[Champion]

last gen was Sony and Microsoft dueling it out. Nintendo made a gimmick and it caught on and people bought their console. most of those people weren't gamers and other than a few Nintendo games based on the motion gimmick and even fewer third party ones like Just Dance they weren't interested in sticking around. this is why Nintendo who sold 90+ million Wiis pulled the plug on it and put out the Wii U. the bubble popped on the fad.

Sony is struggling with the Vita due to lack of software and that's because why should a third party make a Vita title when they can make one on the 3DS and do better numbers? This has basically left Sony in a position to carry the Vita by themselves. If the Vita is gonna get good software it'll either be niche titles or Sony made ones.

Nintendo is struggling with the Wii U do to lack of software because why should a third party make a Wii U title when they can make one on the 360 / PS3 / PS4 ? XBO and do better numbers? This has basically left Nintendo in a position to carry the Wii U by themselves. If the Wii U is gonna get good software it'll either be niche titles or Nintendo made ones.

The PSP sold very well and had a healthy library from both Easter and Western devs. Sony could move more units but they dont support it and send games like Tearaway to die by releasing on the same day as Mario and the Xbone.

 

[winb83]

:woah:
Let's slow down. I disagree with a lot of Iwata's decision and his approval rating by investors has gone down 3 years in a row, but he was very hands on and influential with the Wii and DS. Both sold like crazy and Nintendo was making bank. He deserves another chance just off the strength of last gen.

And if motion controls was just a flash in the pan gimmick then MS and Sony wouldnt be investing money in their own versions of it. They have a bad product on the market right now. Its happened before and will happen again if they continue to take chances with hardware. I personally think they should stop and be more innovative with software. You can't make the type of money they did last gen and end it with only buying a company that makes niche titles.

They either continue to do things like off-screen play and motion controls or put resources into getting more notable AAA on their hardware. The former has shown that it doesnt work

Personally I think they don't need to put out hardware anymore.

all these Nintendo fans may talk shyt but truth be told if Nintendo went Microsoft or Sony exclusive on the console side their hardware wouldn't be missed and their fans would follow them. Why should Nintendo blow all that dough on research and development of hardware that's subpar to their competitors when said competitors are gonna do it anyway? Nintendo can let Microsoft lose money on R&D and lose money selling the hardware and put Mario on the Xbox and they'll sell more copies of Mario to a bigger audience and their own audience would follow. Imagine Microsoft backing Mario like they backed Gears and Halo.

Instead Nintendo is clinging to a business model that doesn't favor them anymore. Choosing to rely on gimmicks because they either can't or won't foot the cash to put out equal hardware to their competitors.

 

[Kodie]

Personally I think they don't need to put out hardware anymore.

all these Nintendo fans may talk shyt but truth be told if Nintendo went Microsoft or Sony exclusive on the console side their hardware wouldn't be missed and their fans would follow them. Why should Nintendo blow all that dough on research and development of hardware that's subpar to their competitors when said competitors are gonna do it anyway? Nintendo can let Microsoft lose money on R&D and lose money selling the hardware and put Mario on the Xbox and they'll sell more copies of Mario to a bigger audience and their own audience would follow. Imagine Microsoft backing Mario like they backed Gears and Halo.

Instead Nintendo is clinging to a business model that doesn't favor them anymore. Choosing to rely on gimmicks because they either can't or won't foot the cash to put out equal hardware to their competitors.

Going software only is a last ditch effort. You can't come back from going software only and then decide you're ready to make another console. So if you make that decision, you have to be sure. And right now there's not nearly enough incentive FOR THEM to do that. Of course, it's what the consumers at large want but I don't think it makes any business sense yet.

Their R&D is funded by their war chest. They can't just let that money sit - shareholders want to see large investments. Getting rid of a major revenue-getter for you is the exact opposite of that.

And I'm not saying all of this can't happen in the future; I'm just saying it's not as trivial and obvious of a move as you make it out to be.

 

[winb83]

The PSP sold very well and had a healthy library from both Easter and Western devs. Sony could move more units but they dont support it and send games like Tearaway to die by releasing on the same day as Mario and the Xbone.

Keep telling yourself that.

 

[Champion]

Personally I think they don't need to put out hardware anymore.

all these Nintendo fans may talk shyt but truth be told if Nintendo went Microsoft or Sony exclusive on the console side their hardware wouldn't be missed and their fans would follow them. Why should Nintendo blow all that dough on research and development of hardware that's subpar to their competitors when said competitors are gonna do it anyway? Nintendo can let Microsoft lose money on R&D and lose money selling the hardware and put Mario on the Xbox and they'll sell more copies of Mario to a bigger audience and their own audience would follow. Imagine Microsoft backing Mario like they backed Gears and Halo.

Instead Nintendo is clinging to a business model that doesn't favor them anymore. Choosing to rely on gimmicks because they either can't or won't foot the cash to put out equal hardware to their competitors.

Going 3rd party would be sticking their head in the sand and running away from the issues.
They are't strapped for cash like Sega was back in the day so it makes no sense. Nintendo makes a lot of money off of accessories and are probably making cash off each 2DS they flip. They wouldn't be seeing any of that and like you said, people that buy GTA and TLOU really dont buy into Mari and Zelda So they would still be pandering to the same audience.

 

[Champion]

Keep telling yourself that.

Prove me wrong.
I had a PSP and have absolutely no desire to get a Vita. I know many people who feel the same way. The notable software isnt there.
Who do you know that is actually rushing out to stores to buy these ports they keep putting on it? Where is the supports from Capcom, Sega, and the other Western devs? There's money to be made but I imagine its kind of hard to convince a publisher to support hardware when you dont support it yourself.

 

[winb83]

Going software only is a last ditch effort. You can't come back from going software only and then decide you're ready to make another console. So if you make that decision, you have to be sure. And right now there's not nearly enough incentive FOR THEM to do that. Of course, it's what the consumers at large want but I don't think it makes any business sense yet.

Their R&D is funded by their war chest. They can't just let that money sit - shareholders want to see large investments. Getting rid of a major revenue-getter for you is the exact opposite of that.

And I'm not saying all of this can't happen in the future; I'm just saying it's not as trivial and obvious of a move as you make it out to be.

when we get to the end of this generation and the Wii U is sitting at 25-30 million units sold and the PS4 and Xbox One are sitting at 70+ million sold maybe they'll see the writing on the wall. EA is damn near ignoring them. Take Two is ignoring them. how long before Activision and Ubisoft give up on them as well? all the Asian developers are off making smart phone titles because the Asians are abandoning consoles.

they're Dreamcast status when it came out and most of the third parties just didn't pay attention. honestly I hope for the better of the market as a whole the Wii U is the last home console they put out. I for one wouldn't mind buying their games on another platform.

 

[winb83]

Going 3rd party would be sticking their head in the sand and running away from the issues.
They are't strapped for cash like Sega was back in the day so it makes no sense. Nintendo makes a lot of money off of accessories and are probably making cash off each 2DS they flip. They wouldn't be seeing any of that and like you said, people that buy GTA and TLOU really dont buy into Mari and Zelda So they would still be pandering to the same audience.

i'm not saying stop making portables. just drop the home console. i'm not one of these Nintendo needs to make tablet games guys either but i just don't see the worth to the average consumer that isn't a hardcore Nintendo guy to buy their home console. when there was hardware parity maybe but now that their hardware is inferior it is in a way them admitting they can't compete with the boxes their competition puts out. why should anybody buy a Wii U at $300 in the face of a PS4 being $99 more?

honestly if you were making an either or choice would you buy the $300 Wii U or just save another $100 and get the PS4?

 

[Champion]

Winb83 has lost his mind.

3rd parties were all on board for the Dreamcast. The Dreamcast was actually selling better than the Wii U......Sega just ran out of money. They're situation is completely different than Nintendo's. Nintendo's problem is they make hardware with only their 1st party titles in mind and 3rd party devs have said numeroustimes that they had little to no communication with Nintendo when the Wii U was being built. This is the exact opposite of what Sony and MS did.

And what company do you know that would drop out of a market by choice after setting company records in that market just a few years ago?

 

[winb83]

Winb83 has lost his mind.

3rd parties were all on board for the Dreamcast. The Dreamcast was actually selling better than the Wii U......Sega just ran out of money. They're situation is completely different than Nintendo's. Nintendo's problem is they make hardware with only their 1st party titles in mind and 3rd party devs have said numeroustimes that they had little to no communication with Nintendo when the Wii U was being built. This is the exact opposite of what Sony and MS did.

What company do you know that would drop out of a market by choice after setting company records in that market just a few years ago

Electronics Arts.

Nintendo's third party woes date back to the N64. This isn't new.

 

[Champion]

Electronics Arts.

What about them?
They dropped support for the Wii U because its not selling well and I dont blame them. Nobody is going to give handouts to Nintendo. Like I said, Nintendo has to get their own shyt together if they expect others to get on board.