Super Mario 3D World Bombing Unappreciation (or appreciation?) Thread

[hex]

The bottom line with Nintendo is this. they can no longer do what Sony and Microsoft can. They can't build a top of the line box that pleases the fans and pleases the third party publishers / developers.

They desperately need to hand that off to someone else. let a Sony or a Microsoft go out there and work with the developers, publishers, and worry about the fans. Let them bring Nintendo a box with the support Nintendo will likely never be able to garner on their own again.

In the last two cycles Nintendo snuck by by but the heavy dominance of the PS2 is gone and the gimmick home-run of the Wii has passed. the clock has struck 12 on Cinderella and all the bullshyt is gone. all Nintendo is left with is their core base of loyal followers that will spend $300+ on a box just to play Nintendo games. what i'm saying is that number of people willing to spend that kinda money on just a Nintendo box that only plays Nintendo games for the most part is far too small to justify what they're doing.

I'm saying this as a person that has owned every Nintendo system except the Virtual Boy and currently owns a Wii U. Nintendo makes great games they make terrible systems and they don't need to make them anymore. as the industry around them continues to grow Nintendo's influence in the console space either stays the same or is shrinking.

Nintendo should approach Microsoft or Sony and strike a deal. We work together on the hardware conception and you produce the box and we put out all our console games for that box alone. Nintendo fans would follow them. these are the same people that spend hundreds on just a Nintendo console. if the only place they could get Nintendo games was on an Xbox console it would be a blessing to them.

You gotta be drugged out of your fukking mind to believe any of this you just typed. I'm not even trying to be disrespectful but you're so far removed from reality it's crazy. It would've made more sense to say everything you just did about Sony, and the PS3, while it was eating away at the PS2's profits last gen....and even then it would obviously be off base because the PS4 exists.

Fred.

 

[Ed MOTHEREFFING G]

realistically though Fred, Nintendo DID approach sony in the 90s about developing an SNES CD...and we all know what that turned into

 

[winb83]

Some of you cats sound crazy as fukk.

Nintendo isn't going anywhere. To put it into perspective the PS2 was the best selling console of all time, and the losses from the PS3 completely wiped out any profit from that. Did Sony bounce from the console business? No.

So at people saying "Wii-U flopped, Nintendo is done", as if Nintendo ain't worth $14 billion solely off gaming. They ain't going anywhere because there's no where to go. If Sony or MS has a bad gen or two I guarantee they'll drop out because they have other shyt to fall back on. Gaming never was their primary concern.

And another at comparing Nintendo to Sega. You're either too young to remember what happened there or you're remembering it incorrectly. Sega didn't have a bad gen....they made several terrible mistakes, for years, until the brand was eroded beyond saving. They never had a Wii type success, in their entire run. They never had a 3DS, either, when the chips were down.

Don't get me wrong the Wii-U is a terrible console but it would take multiple gens of Wii-U style flops to even remotely damage Nintendo, to the point of them bowing out of the console business.

Fred.

My father when I was younger used to tell people GM was gonna hit hard times and all the auto plants around here would be closed. people said he was crazy and what happened? eventually GM hit hard times and pulled outta Flint MI for the most part and the place is a Ghost town now. Previous success is not a guarantee of future success.

Nintendo won't vanish overnight but the day will likely come when they realize that there's no point in them producing consoles anymore. the point they realize they can reach more people selling their games on a different company's box. Let Microsoft and Sony lose billions on researching and developing scaled back super computers. Nintendo can just make games and reach a wider audience.

 

[thesandman]

and winb, we pretty much agree, but we don't think it will EVER happen, because of who nintendo is. Wii-U's failure is still a borderline success and they'll come out with new hardware in a few years to play the next generation of their IP, and allow 3rd parties to develop for it if they want. If they had their way, they'd come out with game-and-watch individual hardware for every game they made if it was cost effective I imagine.

exactly. Nintendo doesn't have to do anything, because they have the Guap and history to survive. The 3DS is a MONSTER. People don't realize this....people said the same thing about nintendo after the GC...said thing is some of the best games EVER came out on that console man..

 

[hex]

realistically though Fred, Nintendo DID approach sony in the 90s about developing an SNES CD...and we all know what that turned into

They didn't approach them from a position of weakness so it's not the same. His whole argument is predicated on Nintendo is in such bad shape they need help, which is as hell.

Hell, if anything their success around that time hurt them in the long run because they were feeling themselves so much they Sony which lead to Playstation. If Nintendo actually needed help back then, and went through with the Sony partnership to make SNES-CD or whatever, Playstation probably wouldn't exist.

Fred.

 

[winb83]

You gotta be drugged out of your fukking mind to believe any of this you just typed. I'm not even trying to be disrespectful but you're so far removed from reality it's crazy. It would've made more sense to say everything you just did about Sony, and the PS3, while it was eating away at the PS2's profits last gen....and even then it would obviously be off base because the PS4 exists.

Fred.

They're half way there.

The Gamecube was comparable to its peers in terms of hardware specs. The past two cycles Nintendo has put out home consoles that are vastly inferior to their competitors. even arguably up to a generation behind in specs. up until that point their boxes were always equal or better than the rest were.

Sony and Microsoft have turned the console business into an arms race where they pump billions into producing boxes and loses tons of money upfront on them. Nintendo already backed down from that. they already basically said we can't win that game we won't play it. basically the direction the market is headed in they refuse to go in. so instead they produce boxes based on gimmicks with inferior hardware in them. if the gimmick catches on great but it it doesn't well that's what the Wii U is.

 

[up in here]

the issue isn't the game, it's the system. Nintendo half assed and bullshytted AGAIN on the system and cats aren't falling for it despite the great games being released now on it. Lack of 3rd party support, garbage ass ports, it's rediculous.

32Gb of memory for 300 dollars?

Stick to handhelds and go third party Nintendo. The Wii U jig is up. nikkaz aint having it.

that doesn't really make any logical sense when you think about it. if the system is capable of great games to me that means its a great system. i mean, theres really no other qualifier to me for how good a system is outside of the games. if the games are great, i will enjoy it. thats pretty much what it boils down to, for me. if the games are not great, it is not a great system.

its like a tv channel with great shows, to me that is a great channel.

as far as the wii u flopping, it really is a sign of a shrinking games market, but the only part of the market that is shrinking is kids and casuals, which will affect nintendo WAY more than anyone else. i dont think it will affect sony at all, especially since it seems like they will most likely take some of MS market share this gen. MS on the other hand, made a big mistake in my opinion trying to cater more towards casuals this time. that audience just isn't there. i still think MS will do well enough because they have strong brand recognition amongst dedicated gamers but over this gen we are going to see Sony become much more dominant over the generation.

im a fan of both sony and nintendo, i currently have both a ps3 and wii u and will get a ps4 most likely towards the end of next year. it honestly does make me a little sad that the wii u isn't doing well simply because i think its a great system with great games. the second screen when used right adds a level of immersion to some games that is just really great to me. personally, im honestly having the most fun with this system than i have had since the SNES. so to me its a great system and i would like to see what 3rd parties could do if they embraced it, but i dont have much faith in that happening. the whole knack outselling mario really just irks me cause i have played both and mario is the better game in every way imaginable. im not sad at all at Sony's success, just nintendo's lack of success. when i see my little cousins all sitting together playing separately on their different devices, it makes me sad cause when i was a kid, playing videos games together was a really great social experience and we had a blast playing together.

 

[winb83]

that doesn't really make any logical sense when you think about it. if the system is capable of great games to me that means its a great system. i mean, theres really no other qualifier to me for how good a system is outside of the games. if the games are great, i will enjoy it. thats pretty much what it boils down to, for me. if the games are not great, it is not a great system.

its like a tv channel with great shows, to me that is a great channel.

as far as the wii u flopping, it really is a sign of a shrinking games market, but the only part of the market that is shrinking is kids and casuals, which will affect nintendo WAY more than anyone else. i dont think it will affect sony at all, especially since it seems like they will most likely take some of MS market share this gen. MS on the other hand, made a big mistake in my opinion trying to cater more towards casuals this time. that audience just isn't there. i still think MS will do well enough because they have strong brand recognition amongst dedicated gamers but over this gen we are going to see Sony become much more dominant over the generation.

im a fan of both sony and nintendo, i currently have both a ps3 and wii u and will get a ps4 most likely towards the end of next year. it honestly does make me a little sad that the wii u isn't doing well simply because i think its a great system with great games. the second screen when used right adds a level of immersion to some games that is just really great to me. personally, im honestly having the most fun with this system than i have had since the SNES. so to me its a great system and i would like to see what 3rd parties could do if they embraced it, but i dont have much faith in that happening. the whole knack outselling mario really just irks me cause i have played both and mario is the better game in every way imaginable. im not sad at all at Sony's success, just nintendo's lack of success. when i see my little cousins all sitting together playing separately on their different devices, it makes me sad cause when i was a kid, playing videos games together was a really great social experience and we had a blast playing together.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-...rget-as-sony-microsoft-sales-dwarf-wii-u.html

Nintendo’s home-console sales are stagnating even as U.S. demand for video games is increasing. U.S. sales of both physical and digitally delivered games grew 17 percent in the three months ended in September, Port Washington, New York-based researcher NPD Group Inc. said on Nov. 21.

What happened to Nintendo is simple. What the Wii U is selling is an indication of just how many people out there are still willing to buy what amounts to a dedicated Nintendo box when there isn't any gimmick to artificially boost sales.

Nintendo is on track to put up Gamecube style numbers. Ironically that's the numbers they put up before the motion control gimmick boosted their numbers. all this really means is while the market around them grows and expands Nintendo remains the same and the numbers they put up with the Gamecube are about their limits of their hardcore dedicated base.

 

[Champion]

All Nintendo needs to do is create a system that can compete with sony and microsoft, if the specs are there and the multiplats are comparable, people would start feeling comfortable with owning just a nintendo system.


They easily have the best exclusives outta the big three and with comparable 3rd party support they could easily reenter the war

I agree but this is easier said than done.
The Wii stunted their growth as a company so it would take a considerable amount of resources for them to catch up. They also need to fix their relationship with 3rd parties or the Wii U's situation will repeat itself. Right now their is absolutely no reason to buy a notable multiplat game for the Wii U. I think their best bet is to get their console out by 2016 and hope their competitors take longer than expected to recuperate their losses from early in this gen.

 

[up in here]

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-...rget-as-sony-microsoft-sales-dwarf-wii-u.html

What happened to Nintendo is simple. What the Wii U is selling is an indication of just how many people out there are still willing to buy what amounts to a dedicated Nintendo box when there isn't any gimmick to artificially boost sales.

Nintendo is on track to put up Gamecube style numbers. Ironically that's the numbers they put up before the motion control gimmick boosted their numbers. all this really means is while the market around them grows and expands Nintendo remains the same and the numbers they put up with the Gamecube are about their limits of their hardcore dedicated base.

that doesn't cancel what im saying for a number of reasons. the first is that more software sales signifies people buying "more games", not "more people" buying games. and the rise in console software over the past few months was largely boosted by GTAV sales. also prior to the past few months there hadn't been any rises since 2011. lastly, the sale of video games software increasing also doesn't signify a growing console market, especially when mobile games are included in most video games sales reports.

let me ask you, do you really think there will be over 260 million consoles sold this gen? lets say wii-u does GC numbers (25mil), do you think the other two will gather 235mil between them?

 

[Dirty_Jerz]

 

[winb83]

All Nintendo needs to do is create a system that can compete with sony and microsoft, if the specs are there and the multiplats are comparable, people would start feeling comfortable with owning just a nintendo system.


They easily have the best exclusives outta the big three and with comparable 3rd party support they could easily reenter the war

what about the Dudebro shooter playing guy that only plays a Call of Duty, Halo, Battlefield, GTA style games? like I said that gamer has no interest playing a Mario game. Nintendo could make the greatest Mario game of all time and all he wants to do is play online shooters and sports games.

Nintendo's problem isn't even their console's specs. its that the style of game they make has a certain kind of appeal. Sony and Microsoft have expanded the gaming market with third parties to include gamers Nintendo's style of game and quality of software are totally lost on. Its almost like how Sony made the Move trying to appeal to people who were buying the Wii and the Move was a complete waste and didn't reach them at all. Sony quietly conceded that they weren't gonna get that segment of the market and the Move is on clearance racks everywhere now.

you kinda have to have an open mind to get into a Nintendo game. this new breed of mainstream gamer ain't trying to mess with Nintendo and their family friendly image.

that doesn't cancel what im saying for a number of reasons. the first is that more software sales signifies people buying "more games", not "more people" buying games. and the rise in console software over the past few months was largely boosted by GTAV sales. also prior to the past few months there hadn't been any rises since 2011. lastly, the sale of video games software increasing also doesn't signify a growing console market, especially when mobile games are included in most video games sales reports.

let me ask you, do you really think there will be over 260 million consoles sold this gen? lets say wii-u does GC numbers (25mil), do you think the other two will gather 235mil between them?

Even if the Xbox and Playstation increase their numbers it won't be enough to make up all the buyers that Nintendo shed. a decent number of those people weren't the type to buy too many games anyway. people that bought Wiis for grandparents to get them active and for rehab.

 

[GetInTheTruck]

I kinda want to get a wii u to play this and the zeldas....I just dont feel like paying for it

 

[spliz]

Some of you cats sound crazy as fukk.

Nintendo isn't going anywhere. To put it into perspective the PS2 was the best selling console of all time, and the losses from the PS3 completely wiped out any profit from that. Did Sony bounce from the console business? No.

So at people saying "Wii-U flopped, Nintendo is done", as if Nintendo ain't worth $14 billion solely off gaming. They ain't going anywhere because there's no where to go. If Sony or MS has a bad gen or two I guarantee they'll drop out because they have other shyt to fall back on. Gaming never was their primary concern.

And another at comparing Nintendo to Sega. You're either too young to remember what happened there or you're remembering it incorrectly. Sega didn't have a bad gen....they made several terrible mistakes, for years, until the brand was eroded beyond saving. They never had a Wii type success, in their entire run. They never had a 3DS, either, when the chips were down.

Don't get me wrong the Wii-U is a terrible console but it would take multiple gens of Wii-U style flops to even remotely damage Nintendo, to the point of them bowing out of the console business.

Fred.

Yup...Sega fell off cause of the dumb decisions they made in the 90s...with Sega CD.. 32X.. Making the damn Saturn within MONTHS span of the 32X and turning Saturn into a 3D gaming system at the last minute..which in turn made it damn near impossible to develop for..the Dreamcast was ahead of it's time and the fact u could easily burn games and play them made people not even cop the games.. They just rented them and burned them..

 

[spliz]

realistically though Fred, Nintendo DID approach sony in the 90s about developing an SNES CD...and we all know what that turned into

No..Nintendo did some fukk shyt and shytted on Sony ..the system was already in development and the day Sony announced it Nintendo dropped support for the console leaving Sony embarrassed and left out to dry...