Super Tuesday Primary: Biden wins 9 of 14 states; leads delegate count 637 to 559

[NY's #1 Draft Pick]

100%

I think Pete and his handlers would've been happy to get 8-10% of votes in early states and exceeded all their expectations. I'm really interested to see how they plan out his next 4 or hopefully 8 years. If Biden or Bloomberg got the win he would definitely get a springboard position in the administration but if Bernie wins then seeing his moves will be interesting.

Throwing Chasten in the bushes for a black husband would be hilarious

 

[Dr. Acula]

@ how Warren is performing in her own state

 

[FAH1223]

 

[Dr. Acula]

Wonder what the ground game in MA for Sanders is like. TBH, it would be smart to have a massive ground game there to take on Warren in-order to get her out the paint since she is the biggest threat as far as siphoning his votes. With warren out the way, a majority of those votes will probably go to Bernie. If she loses her own state, it will be a killshot. Warren is his biggest threat and is what is weakening him against the Moderate candidates.

 

[nyknick]

Warren's PAC is now dropping crazy money into Super Tuesday states so that will help. I would love to know money spent per state

Going from $1.5m to $14m in advertising will certainly give her a big bump.

 

[Miles Davis]

The political climate isn’t moving to a Buttigieg in 2024. It’s too polarized.

The LGBTQA+ community dont bang with dude.

Even his own set don’t claim him

Reminds me of the rally he had and people were protesting him and organizers were saying they were homophobes and the protesters let them know they were gay

 

[ExodusNirvana]

Warren's PAC is now dropping crazy money into Super Tuesday states so that will help. I would love to know money spent per state

Going from $1.5m to $14m in advertising will certainly give her a big bump.

I feel like it's too late for her

 

[Heelish]

The political climate isn’t moving to a Buttigieg in 2024. It’s too polarized.

The LGBTQA+ community dont bang with dude.

 

[No1]

i really think you're over estimating how much he's been rejected and/or even paid attention to when sanders has had the attention of younger voters.

and you mentioning a whole different political world is exactly why i think he's not dead, quite honestly we don't know what the big issues of will be nor the temperature of the electorate. the only thing i know for sure that we'll still be talking about is the climate. and bernie did't do well with POC in 2016, and now look. i get you don't like him nor do your politics match his, but he won't be going away after this

edit: i especially think the door will be open for him in 2024 if bernie were to lose vs. trump this year

American politics is moving to further and further towards absolute polarization like @mastermind said. The left will only be more left as generation z comes of age because they’re more left than even millennials. Meanwhile, Republicans are moving further right. There is no universe in which people trust Pete in 2024 to bring that left faction together. There’s an old saying that the street wont’t buy you if the house won’t sell you. And Pete’s own generation and the LGBTQIA+ dont fukk with him. By 2028, all the young progressives too young to run will be eligible. Which donors will invest in him at that point? His only hope would be for Sanders to throw him in the administration the way Obama did Hillary.

 

[No1]

I feel like it's too late for her

Warren’s problem this entire race was convincing people that she was a better person to carry on Sanders’s platform than Sanders and she failed to do so. It was an impossible task. By not running in 2016 - she gave Bernie the inside track and it was insurmountable. The people who think Warren has more “ideas” fail to realize that they pull their policies from the same well but Sanders favors more universal policies as opposed to Warren who caters hers to “solve inequity,” and that warrants a discussion both on ethics and as a strategy - but ultimately they’re coming from the same place. Imagine if Bernie Sanders was Bernice Sanders and Elizabeth Warren was Elijah Warren - think about how insane Elijah Warren’s entire argument would seem to the women of America.

Woman asks you to run against the powers that be and you refuse. Woman then does it and has great success and changes America. You come back four years later and say that I’m just like that woman but I’m smarter so choose me. (Meanwhile your ideas are basically identical but the man “projects” intelligence better.)

 

[mastermind]

and just where exactly is he? dude plays a middle ground between progressivism and centrism...he hasn't passionately campaigned for any particular policy but his stances aren't way off base of either end of the dem spectrum. he has left himself room to move left/right/up/down.

breh will definitely make another run

I think he will make another run too. My point is that he probably should have waited until he had strong convictions.

Buttigieg would have been a front runner with his worldview in 2004. The world isn’t moving like that anymore.

 

[Dr. Acula]

American politics is moving to further and further towards absolute polarization like @mastermind said. The left will only be more left as generation z comes of age because they’re more left than even millennials. Meanwhile, Republicans are moving further right. There is no universe in which people trust Pete in 2024 to bring that left faction together. There’s an old saying that the street wont’t buy you if the house won’t sell you. And Pete’s own generation and the LGBTQIA+ dont fukk with him. By 2028, all the young progressives too young to run will be eligible. Which donors will invest in him at that point? His only hope would be for Sanders to throw him in the administration the way Obama did Hillary.

Told my mom this same shyt when we were debating. She is one of these boomers still clamoring for a "return to normalcy" not realizing the increasing polarization is the new normal and its the new normal because of what Republicans have built up starting in the 80s with the start of talk radio and ramped up further by Fox News and Newt Gingrich take no prisoners politics as it relates to how congressional republicans operate. To complete it, you have Mitch Mcconnel basically stalling and stonewalling anything a Democratic president tries to do. I refuse to pull a "both sides" argument here.

Pete and Amy appeal to those with an outdated view of the political climate as being something of compromise and cooperation when you have someone like Mcconnel setting the tone that says "no matter what Democrats do I will stop it and making declarations his job is to make a president a one-term president.

These people need to get with the times. This won't end until both sides fall back simultaneously because just one side (usually the democrats do this) doing it will not result in Republicans who view Democrats as literal enemies to do the same.

 

[FAH1223]

@tru_m.a.c where is Tim Kaine?!

 

[mastermind]

Told my mom this same shyt when we were debating. She is one of these boomers still clamoring for a "return to normalcy" not realizing the increasing polarization is the new normal and its the new normal because of what Republicans have built up starting in the 80s with the start of talk radio and ramped up further by Fox News and Newt Gingrich take no prisoners politics as it relates to how congressional republicans operate. To complete it, you have Mitch Mcconnel basically stalling and stonewalling anything a Democratic president tries to do. I refuse to pull a "both sides" argument here.

Pete and Amy appeal to those with an outdated view of the political climate as being something of compromise and cooperation when you have someone like Mcconnel setting the tone that says "no matter what Democrats do I will stop it and making declarations his job is to make a president a one-term president.

These people need to get with the times. This won't end until both sides fall back simultaneously because just one side (usually the democrats do this) doing it will not result in Republicans who view Democrats as literal enemies to do the same.

The Citations Needed podcast had a good episode last week on this, with regards to the media.

My stance on this is simple, you can’t negotiate with terrorists. The modern GOP voter/right wing media has created their own facts and believe that. These aren’t people you can reason with since they will argue that the sun never comes up and the sky is red. You can’t find middle ground with people who don’t agree on the facts. It’s why the “Trump lies” and “fact-checker” claims don’t mean shyt except to West Wing liberals who are clinging to some weird political utopia. The right-wing of this country believe Trump, and it’s reinforced by right wing media. Until laws for fairness and truth in media is passed, that is our reality.

You have to actually fight for something and being active in your civic duty, outside of voting.

Millennials are starting to get that while generation Z already got it.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

American politics is moving to further and further towards absolute polarization like @mastermind said. The left will only be more left as generation z comes of age because they’re more left than even millennials. Meanwhile, Republicans are moving further right. There is no universe in which people trust Pete in 2024 to bring that left faction together. There’s an old saying that the street wont’t buy you if the house won’t sell you. And Pete’s own generation and the LGBTQIA+ dont fukk with him. By 2028, all the young progressives too young to run will be eligible. Which donors will invest in him at that point? His only hope would be for Sanders to throw him in the administration the way Obama did Hillary.

Ehh, I still disagree. For every article saying gen z is progressive there are articles saying they’re more conservative (due in part to selfishness). It’s silly to try to come up with sweeping conclusions about people 10-23 who haven’t had any real life experience. Also, socially liberal doesn’t equate fiscally liberal.

additionally, as someone who has been broken out of my coastal city bubble and now works for a company HQ’ed in Iowa and with a big work population in “heartland” states, there is a marked difference between my coworkers there and out here in SF. I’m not sold on the breadth of progressivism as opposed to the outsized voice of it being associated with big cities. Lastly, with they way progressive - actually dem voters in general - are concentrated in metro areas and keep continuing to move to metro areas, that necessitates a need for moderates in congress at minimum.

and there will always be a “monied” class in the dem party (we’re in trouble if there isn’t) you can look at millennials like zuckerberg and younger gen x like Jack Dorsey and see that there will remain an appetite for moderate candidates in the dem party - that’s the class that will back someone like Pete.