Suspected terrorist attack in London.

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i picture allah letting it happen, even though he's all powerful :ehh: gotta wonder whos side he's on. why would allah let whites/the west rape the islamic part of the world?

it's either that, or he's fake :mjlol: but if you claim this dude is real, it's you that has to pick a side. im just an objective observer

are these your thoughts on failed nation building ?
 

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Why England (and I guess the west generally) accepts any Muslims at all is beyond me. As far as I can tell, they are more trouble than they're worth. What could they add to English society that makes up for the government spending, social disruption, and the occasional terrorist attack ?
 

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If ISIS is following Al Qaeda's playbook (and they have since day one, just more violent and brazen), we should be expecting a 9/11 or 7/7 sized attack pretty soon. If you follow the pattern, it's a steady ramp up of smaller attacks around the world, then a sudden ramp up of multiple close together, THEN the big one while everyone is still scrambling around. It's clear there was chatter about something serious when the laptop ban popped up, just like there was before 9/11.

I think we'll definitely see a major, major attack in the next 6-18 months, then ISIS areas will get blown to shyt, they'll retreat for a bit, then the either they'll regroup or another group will take its place and the cycle will start again.

These attacks are happening more frequently in England than the US because Muslims integrate much more successfully in America, as opposed to the UK where they basically all get grouped together in ghettos and live separately from the rest of society. Not all Muslims there, of course, but it's a much, much, much more common thing in the UK than US. After the AG bombing, there was a whole fukking neighborhood with ties to ISIS and other groups, which is completely unheard of in US terrorism events.
 
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Why England (and I guess the west generally) accepts any Muslims at all is beyond me. As far as I can tell, they are more trouble than they're worth. What could they add to English society that makes up for the government spending, social disruption, and the occasional terrorist attack ?

You don't think a country blocking Muslims from Muslim regions would only add fuel to more terrorism and extremism with Muslims already living in these same regions??

We got to be smart about what we're up against. This ain't a process like A-B-C
 

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You don't think a country blocking Muslims from Muslim regions would only add fuel to more terrorism and extremism with Muslims already living in these same regions??

We got to be smart about what we're up against. This ain't a process like A-B-C

However bad Islamic radicalization is in England, adding more Muslims will not help. No more Muslims. If Muslims there become terrorists deal with them, but there is no sane reason to increase their numbers.
 

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You don't think a country blocking Muslims from Muslim regions would only add fuel to more terrorism and extremism with Muslims already living in these same regions??

We got to be smart about what we're up against. This ain't a process like A-B-C
As opposed to what's happening now? Is there not a correlation between taking in more Muslims and an increase in terror attacks?

Sometimes you guys shouldn't try so hard. The truth is, less Muslims means less terrorism. So yes, it is ABC.
 

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However bad Islamic radicalization is in England, adding more Muslims will not help. No more Muslims. If Muslims there become terrorists deal with them, but there is no sane reason to increase their numbers.

Radicalization doesn't happen in England, and it doesn't happen in the US. Almost every attack since 9/11 has been either by natural born citizens or naturalized citizens who take a trip (usually to Syria or Pakistan) and come BACK radicalized. These are the people that need to be tracked, and they have been in most cases, but there's only so much you can do until they start doing something illegal.

Now, radicalization in England might start happening more due to the lack of integration, but so far it's people who travel away and come back radicalized.
 

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Radicalization doesn't happen in England, and it doesn't happen in the US. Almost every attack since 9/11 has been either by natural born citizens or naturalized citizens who take a trip (usually to Syria or Pakistan) and come BACK radicalized. These are the people that need to be tracked, and they have been in most cases, but there's only so much you can do until they start doing something illegal.

Now, radicalization in England might start happening more due to the lack of integration, but so far it's people who travel away and come back radicalized.

I'm talking about how this could have been avoided entirely. I think banning Muslims to whatever extent you can helps to not make the situation worse. Regarding natural born citizens who travel abroad and become radicalized, I agree all that can be done is track them and I also agree until they do something illegal nothing will happen. :francis:
 

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The divide politically being at an all time high in the world is killing us.

Everything is in extremes and nobody is willing to meet in the middle in fear of giving in to the other side

You have the right who use this as their reasons to get rid of all Muslims then the left has to answer by almost ignoring these attacks or being more worried about islamaphobia then people being killed so they almost act like their is no threat at all and nothing to see here.

Is it too much to ask for just reasonable fukkin thinking instead of straight party lines and have both sides come together to try to figure this sh1t out?
 

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As opposed to what's happening now? Is there not a correlation between taking in more Muslims and an increase in terror attacks?

Sometimes you guys shouldn't try so hard. The truth is, less Muslims means less terrorism. So yes, it is ABC.


Blocking Muslims entirely from entering the country may only further radicalize the Muslims that currently live within the country. That won't stop the problem of terrorism it'll exasperate it.
 

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I'm talking about how this could have been avoided entirely. I think banning Muslims to whatever extent you can helps to not make the situation worse. Regarding natural born citizens who travel abroad and become radicalized, I agree all that can be done is track them and I also agree until they do something illegal nothing will happen. :francis:

You mean by leaving Iraq the fukk alone in 2003? Yeah Mr. Hindsight that could've help a lot.
 

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However bad Islamic radicalization is in England, adding more Muslims will not help. No more Muslims. If Muslims there become terrorists deal with them, but there is no sane reason to increase their numbers.

Adding more people from Muslims regions without stronger vetting, checking, our establishing any serious set of safeguards for refugees or immigrants. I agree.

Blocking Muslims entirely may piss off those currently living there and add more Muslim immigrants, refugees, citizens to these sleeper cells and terrorist networks that are apparently all over Europe.

I'm just saying there needs to be a carefully strategy instead of yelling about "political correctness"
 
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