"Tariq Nasheed is the lowest of low"

[Will Ross]

Also.....we very much do still live in a patriarchal society, even Black America.

The absence of men in households doesn't void that. Nor does the abundance of educated Black women. Women as a whole are becoming more educated than men....because they HAVE to be. On average a woman has to obtain a degree to even be remotely competitive with the wages that men earn.

Ill keep it real: Black women in particular are considered as the elephant in the room as far as black socioeconomics go. Far much more is made of "saving our Black boys from the streets/More Obamas, Less Chief Keefs!" or "preventing our Black boys from becoming the next trayvon martins" than any effort to save Black girls go (this isn't unique to black culture, our society is far more concerned with "saving boys", period. Patriarchy and all).

For example, I even look at modern Black Celebs as a microcosm of the "importance" of Black men and women to the world. For men we have Obama, Lebron, Kobe, Jordan, Jay Z, Will and countless others whose popularity have allowed Black men to become just a little bit more integrated,accepted, and liked within our society. For Black Women.....Beyonce and....maybe Michelle Obama?

And even then, Black women are still largely considered as attitude having, b*stard child raising, welfare queens.

I'm not saying we as Black men don't face our own stigmas, stereotypes, and everyday struggles.

But Black Women are fighting just as tough a battle. Maybe even tougher in its own way. And I don't think we collectively acknowledge that enough.

But I can tell you denouncing feminists as race traitors, uppity bytches, and imbeciles isn't helping.

Its doing the enemies work for them.

We are not accepted we just don't have an issue with what we are.

 

[Marc Spector]

We are not accepted we just don't have an issue with what we are.

Black men are accepted just a tad more than Black Women. Probably because of patriarchy.

For example, I'm a shift supervisor at a warehouse job. The largest employer in my state. A shytton of people of all races and age work there but still mostly white males in all levels of the company.

And I can say that in the 7 years ive been there.....between the black men and black women at my job, many of whom are from the hoods of my city....The Black men typically adjust and integrate far easier into the workforce and climate than Black women.

They all can't be attitude having and standoffish. It has to be deeper than that.


Elaborate please, "we just dont have an issue with what we are"

 

[Will Ross]

Black men are accepted just a tad more than Black Women. Probably because of patriarchy.

For example, I'm a shift supervisor at a warehouse job. The largest employer in my state. A shytton of people of all races and age work there but still mostly white males in all levels of the company.

And I can say that in the 7 years ive been there.....between the black men and black women at my job, many of whom are from the hoods of my city....The Black men typically adjust and integrate far easier into the workforce and climate than Black women.

They all can't be attitude having and standoffish. It has to be deeper than that.


Elaborate please, "we just dont have an issue with what we are"

We don't try to be apart of the white world. A lot of black women do.

 

[mcdivit85]

the funny part is black feminist dont even want these male feminist. they dont want these sissified matriarchal nikkas. they want someone of patriarchal value, that will protect and provide for them.

Definitely. They just have tastes.

Like I've always said, black feminists are simply upset that patriarchy doesn't benefit them-not a patriarchy. Because these same women who decry "black male privilege" have no problem getting with a white dude who is the definition of patriarchy. They'll throw all that talk away to have a chance to have a piece of what they think white women enjoy that come as benefit of being with the one who has the gold.

Peace

 

[Marc Spector]

We don't try to be apart of the white world. A lot of black women do.

Ummmmmmm....How do they attempt to be apart of the white world? And how are Black Men not doing so?

What is the white world exactly?

 

[Y2Dre]

we can expect an influx of Black feminists like @Knives Amilli since FlabanistaJones shouted us out on twitter smh

 

[iBrowse]

You didn't answer the question bruh. I don't need to know your fukkin address
I'm just replying to what you said. Since you havent' seen this "division" I asked where you live

Your reply is "Uh.. earth.. uh... don't you have a hat :mjez:"

Like bruh, everyone isn't a dumbass. You can't slither your way out of this, don't change the subject bruh
You live in Wyoming don't you

yeah..i live in Wyoming ...why do you feel like I need to reply to you about a subject that I didn't address to you? you seem to be bothered by what I said for some reason

"slither" my way out of what? you say everyone isn't a dumbass but you're coming off as one right now thinking I owe you an explanation...and yes that dumbass hat of yours prevents me from even taking you seriously nikka...get off my dikk and keep writing your fukking dissertations bruh

 

[Scott Larock]

Ummmmmmm....How do they attempt to be apart of the white world? And how are Black Men not doing so?

What is the white world exactly?

Wanting to be like Becky while throwing your culture and men in the bushes, just think about it.

 

[Marc Spector]

YOU KNOW HOW MANY nikkaS BEEN KILLED BY THE POLICE OVER THE YEARS
WHILE BEING PEACEFUL & NON COMBATIVE?

DUDES HAVE DONE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AND WERE STILL MURDERED.

YOU THAT bytch IN THE OP AINT YOU?


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With the exception of Fred Hampton.....No. I dont know how many case of Black men have been killed while being peaceful and non combative.

But what I *do* know is that Eric Garner might still be alive if he didn't decide that today was gonna be the day he was gonna air his grievances with the police which as bad as it sounds, was an invitation to fukk with him, which instigated a situation that led to his death.

I also know that the Black Female AzSt.U professor who got slammed by that cop probably would've made it home just fine had she shown the overzealous mall cop her ID and kept it moving.

Now were both instances clearly instigated by dikkhead cops just looking for a reason to fukk with somebody? Absolutely.

However....in also both cases...Neither Garner or that professor would've lost anything remotely as substantial as their lives/jobs/reputation had they just realized that this was a battle they could not win given their present circumstances.

Garners complaints and resistance, no matter how justified, were not going to be respected or complied with in front of that bodega.

And Ive seen and heard of a million cases like Eric Garners.

Its not right. Its not fair. To some, its defeatist and c00nery.

But being compliant and peaceful has a better chance of saving your life. Surely moreso than resisting. Or put it like this: ive seen nikkas resisting arrest and far worse happening to them than being peaceful and compliant.

And thats all that the black feminist chick was trying to convey. That the cops are a force that you have to tread with caution around until you can fight that battle on better terms.

And no, im not the "bytch" from the o/p.

 

[No Sleep]

Also.....we very much do still live in a patriarchal society, even Black America.

The absence of men in households doesn't void that. Nor does the abundance of educated Black women. Women as a whole are becoming more educated than men....because they HAVE to be. On average a woman has to obtain a degree to even be remotely competitive with the wages that men earn.

Ill keep it real: Black women in particular are considered as the elephant in the room as far as black socioeconomics go. Far much more is made of "saving our Black boys from the streets/More Obamas, Less Chief Keefs!" or "preventing our Black boys from becoming the next trayvon martins" than any effort to save Black girls go (this isn't unique to black culture, our society is far more concerned with "saving boys", period. Patriarchy and all).

For example, I even look at modern Black Celebs as a microcosm of the "importance" of Black men and women to the world. For men we have Obama, Lebron, Kobe, Jordan, Jay Z, Will and countless others whose popularity have allowed Black men to become just a little bit more integrated,accepted, and liked within our society. For Black Women.....Beyonce and....maybe Michelle Obama?

And even then, Black women are still largely considered as attitude having, b*stard child raising, welfare queens.

I'm not saying we as Black men don't face our own stigmas, stereotypes, and everyday struggles.

But Black Women are fighting just as tough a battle. Maybe even tougher in its own way. And I don't think we collectively acknowledge that enough.

But I can tell you denouncing feminists as race traitors, uppity bytches, and imbeciles isn't helping.

Its doing the enemies work for them.

Kerry Washington(Your Queen), Oprah, Deborah Lee...

 

[Marc Spector]

Kerry Washington(Your Queen), Oprah, Deborah Lee...

Ill give you Oprah. Kerry Washington is only what...2 years deep as far being a household name? And nobody knows who the fukk Deborah Lee is bruh.

The Black men i mentioned are current but resonant icons. Just as beloved and respected worldwide as they are hated. There aren't very many black female icons that resonate like that.

 

[Scott Larock]

The majority of black men who are celebrities are athletes or entertainers, that'snnot a good point.

I don't see the point, Kerry Washington showiis big with black women, black womeniinterracial dating numbers have increased so let's cut the Bullshyt and speak on facts, we all k of what's going on here.

 

[Gizza]

No black woman has any business being an American feminist. Feminism originally rejected women of color, and American racially progressive movements generally neglected gender. There's no middle ground for them. The majority of black women will identify as ‘black women’. “Black” will precede “woman”. “Woman” will often be a habit and an afterthought. Black women occupy a unique space because, they are female and black. And can experience racism and sexism. White feminists don't give a fukk about black women. Any black woman who identifies herself as a "feminist" probably needs to educate herself more on the topic. Society doesn't make much room for people of color, let alone women of color. They don't care about black women. Sistas need to think twice about pushing those feminist agendas because in the end they aren't built to push the black woman forward, they are there to push women forward. And in America "woman" and "black woman" are two entirely different things. Feminism is designed for women who want all the pros that men are allowed, but none of the cons. In this age of internet feminism, it's more about holding men down, and getting a platform to express their daft, biased, dead end opinions than it is about pushing women forward. There are women in the world who are going through more serious things than "Cat Calls". Just my two cents

I hate to be the truth bearer, but a "blacc feminist" is goofy as fuk. What you said is spot on, just picc up a basic community college psychology book & blacc women aren't in the feminist agenda. You try to let these dummies cook but it's just & at the same damn time

 

[sun raw]

Tariq is lame, kill your idols

 

[mcdivit85]

Black men dropped the ball and the damage in our community is partially our fault. Which is why I don't really focus on the bullshyt they say because they're not getting what they need from us.

Thank you for your honesty.

As black men, we can't only hold the feet of black women or feminism to the fire...we must start with the black male. Women are followers and will become what the environment allows them to become. If the men of their environment are on top of their game, provide, protect and hold the women to an underlying standard because of the nest they lay out, then the women will comply more times than not. For fear of being alone and for fear of being ostracized.

But if the men are weak, shiftless, unmotivated and not able or willing to provide/protect, then the women will become ornery, deceitful and covetous.

The truth is, black women are a reflection of black men. If black women are not on top of their game, it's because black men are not on top of theirs. And if black men are not on top of theirs, they have neither the facility or wherewithal to demand black women, as a whole, step their game up.

Submission comes from women who feel secure and provided for. You can't expect sweet, submissive women who have to conquer the same world their man has to. Sweet and submissive comes with a level of innocence that most black men do not and cannot afford to offer black women at this point.

Peace