team Johnson&Johnson takes another L

[thekingsmen]

What's even more weird is intertwining the same mistrust of government with a mistrust of the vaccine (or science in general).

"Trusting the government" had nothing to do with me getting the jab. Instead I trusted the science

CDC, NIH are government institutions.

 

[Kyle C. Barker]

So you publish the benefits as well as the risk and let people decide for themselves.

Just a while ago, you had some people on here complaining that the media shouldn’t even publish the risks of the vaccines as it would scare people away from taking it.

That's the thing. They do publish the risks in medical journals but those same journals are targeted towards people that have PhDs.

Like when you mentioned the bells palsy case without mentioning the potential biological pathway that led to that reaction. You can ask the question, as you say, but do you have the background to determine if that was truly the cause?

 

[Software]

 

[Metal Face]

My uncle took this JJ shyt

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

That's the thing. They do publish the risks in medical journals but those same journals are targeted towards people that have PhDs.

Like when you mentioned the bells palsy case without mentioning the potential biological pathway that led to that reaction. You can ask the question, as you say, but do you have the background to determine if that was truly the cause?

If the effects and issues don't take place until after the person took the vaccine, then obviously the cause is the vaccine

Like I've said before, you can't guilt and force people into taking the vaccine and then blaming their issues on the underlining conditions and not the vaccine when said underlining conditions were the reason why you wanted them to get the vaccine in the first place.

 

[OneManGang]

So put in lamen terms for the average American to understand just like we do for other complex data and information.

The healthcare industry isn't the only one with that issue, so don't use it as an excuse.

Here’s the thing though, I agree with you. In all industry, there’s professionals for a reason. But public health is singled out in this case, due to the topic. When you dumb things down, context gets lost. And we are back to square one. How many people would take antibiotics if the big news reported in big headlines every single possible drug interaction, and believe me there are some scary ones with common medications. Well that’s actually not the best example because people who are already sick are more willing to listen to professional advice.

 

[Ironman]

How do they still have a business?All the fukkery they've caused

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

Here’s the thing though, I agree with you. In all industry, there’s professionals for a reason. But public health is singled out in this case, due to the topic. When you dumb things down, context gets lost. And we are back to square one. How many people would take antibiotics if the big news reported in big headlines every single possible drug interaction, and believe me there are some scary ones with common medications. Well that’s actually not the best example because people who are already sick are more willing to listen to professional advice.

Of course it gets singled out as you're dealing with someones life or death.......

You can say the risks are low all you want, but it doesn't become until it effects you or someone that you know. Like I said, no one knows how they will react to something until it's in their body and those vaccines aren't any different.

 

[Everythingg]

Which parts?

Do you have an issue with the guidelines the FDA sets forth for clinical trials?

Modern medicine and govt go hand in hand in hand. How else did they get immunity from being sued?

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

No one knows how their bodies will react to these vaccines in due time

try rewording that. Nobody knows what ANY drug will do to them.... any drug. That's why i laugh when ppl freak out about the vaccines but are willing to take all types of other shyt

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

try rewording that. Nobody knows what ANY drug will do to them.... any drug. That's why i laugh when ppl freak out about the vaccines but are willing to take all types of other shyt

And why you mention the benefits and drawbacks of said drugs............

 

[Orbital-Fetus]

Man fukk

 

[OneManGang]

Of course it gets singled out as you're dealing with someones life or death.......

You can say the risks are low all you want, but it doesn't become until it effects you or someone that you know. Like I said, no one knows how they will react to something until it's in their body and those vaccines aren't any different.

You’re set in your belief which is cool. But your reasoning is pretty shallow. We’d be stuck in the dark ages dying from smallpox and pneumonia if more people thought like you. You’re blessed by modern medicine and vaccines to even have this asinine logic, no guarantee you’d made it to this age.

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

You’re set in your belief which is cool. But your reasoning is pretty shallow. We’d be stuck in the dark ages dying from smallpox and pneumonia if people thought like you. You’re blessed by modern medicine and vaccines to even have this asinine logic.

All because I literally said mention both the positives and after effects of a vaccine or drug even if it would potentially save someone else's life

One nikka on here literally didn't even want the news talking about the drawbacks of the vaccine because it would scare his mom away from taking it even if it would save someone else's life who is experiencing the same vaccine effects.

It's okay for someone else to die from the effects of a vaccine or drug just as long as it save someone else's life. I guarantee you that you wouldn't have that mindset if you or someone you knew died from the effects of taking a drug and you'd be lying if you said otherwise

You would be ready to sue with the quickness and don't pretend like you wouldn't.

 

[Kyle C. Barker]

CDC, NIH are government institutions.

And their journals/publications/studies are all available to read.

kizzmekia corbett (NIH moderna affiliate and also the lead vaccine developer) is the first author on plenty of papers. You can review her work if you want.

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Like I've said before, you can't guilt and force people into taking the vaccine and then blaming their issues on the underlining conditions and not the vaccine when said underlining conditions were the reason why you wanted them to get the vaccine in the first place.

Correlation does not imply causation no matter how adamant you choose to be about it. Until you can lay out the biological pathway that caused this you're assertion is nothing more than speculation.