Tebow kinda got a raw deal didn't he?

[Buggsy Mogues]

kurt warner was an arena leaguer and he started when trent green went down.

tony romo replaced bledsoe as soon as bledsoe was

brady replaced bledsoe only because of injury.

all those qbs were undrafted/late picks who were replacing former all-stars

phil rivers had a great start to his career and brees, while having a good amount of weapons, wasnt amazing in SD, it took payton and specific offense to get him to be elite.

the problem with your comparisons is that all those guys could pass the ball.
tebow cannot.

and again, you cannot use the 'he wins' argument because in football, TEAMS win games. not qbs. no matter how hard the media dikkrides the qbs, theyre just a cog.

yes, that's my whole point. you are talking out of both sides of your mouth. On one hand you wanna trust the Jets people who say Tebow wasn't good in practice, but on the other hand you just make excuses for the 3 situations I laid out where a better QB was sitting on the bench behind a worse QB.

The only reason Warner/Brady/Romo played is because the starter got injured. Do you think all 3 of them looked worse than the starter in practice?? Maybe they did, and if so that's fine, because the point is when they got in the game they produced. Same thing with Tebow.

Or maybe all 3 of those teams..their coaches got it wrong, and didn't even realize they had an elite qB sitting right on their bench, and maybe the injury lucked them into playing that QB before they became another head coachin casualty

In this case you tell me to trust the Jets QB evaluation..meanwhile they just cleaned house in their front office and have Rex Ryan is basically coaching with his job on the line. But yeah, imma trust what those fukkboys have to say about QB play.

 

[Ed MOTHERFUCKING G]

Tebow cant pass the football. Why are you choosing to ignore that?

 

[yseJ]

again, there isnt real competition when the starter is firmly established and the backup isn't.
its just how it works.

when you have crappy qbs tho, like in tebow's case, theres always a competition. and its no one but his fault that he loses it every time because he cant fukking pass the ball consistently

 

[Trip]

The Jets last season were a disaster and there was no reason for Tebow to be here.

However, Tebow cant pass the football.

 

[tremonthustler1]

You really think that Tebow demonstrated that he was a better QB and Rex just ignored it? From all accounts he stunk it up in practice. He stunk it up in Denver. Only reason he got in was because they were 1-4 and were on some "throw some shyt against the wall and see if it sticks" type shyt. Jets were still in hunt in the last quarter of the season. And yeah there is no denying that Rex is stubborn and was attached to Sanchez but unless Tebow was demonstrating superiority that's not really relevant.

Fez stunk it up in games. When it mattered. It was less of "let's get Tebow in there because he can win" and more of "get Fez the fukk outta there. I don't care if Tebow has to start to do it"

The Jets were "in the hunt" but nobody believed they'd actually make the playoffs, especially with the QB play, and Jets fans were right.

 

[yseJ]

yes, that's my whole point. you are talking out of both sides of your mouth. On one hand you wanna trust the Jets people who say Tebow wasn't good in practice, but on the other hand you just make excuses for the 3 situations I laid out where a better QB was sitting on the bench behind a worse QB.

again, if you have a former pro bolwer starting as a qb, coaches usually wont replace the qb with a undrafted/arena league/late rounder pick just because they look better in practice a couple of times

its common sense. drew bledsoe and trent green were former pro bowlers who could pass the ball and do it decently.

if the qb is playing decently, coaches wont replace them unless there's an injury. its the same with the other positions really.

also, you seem to fail to understand that those qbs replacing pro bowlers weren't 'elite' when they were backups. they BECAME 'elite' through their good performances on the field.

 

[Trip]

Fez stunk it up in games. When it mattered. It was less of "let's get Tebow in there because he can win" and more of "get Fez the fukk outta there. I don't care if Tebow has to start to do it"

.

yep. There was never a push for Tebow in NY. PPl just wanted Sanchez gone.

Similar to the Pennington/Clemens situation. WHatever it took to get the guy they know stinks out in favor of the unknown.

 

[yseJ]

Tebow cant pass the football. Why are you choosing to ignore that?

bu..bu... he WINS GAMES

 

[Buggsy Mogues]

again, there isnt real competition when the starter is firmly established and the backup isn't.
its just how it works.

when you have crappy qbs tho, like in tebow's case, theres always a competition. and its no one but his fault that he loses it every time because he cant fukking pass the ball consistently

firmly established? Trent Green was a journyman in his first season with STL when he got hurt and Warner took over. Bledsoe was over the hill and had one mediocre season in Dallas before he got hurt and Romo took over.

I guess you could say he was firmly established in New England, but even then..he was clearly on the downside of his career. Teams dont always make starting decision based on who is better in practice. A lot of different stuff plays into it -- contract, tenure with the team, relationship with the coach, etc. Belichick was brand new in NE and on his second head coaching job after failing in Cleveland. Maybe he was hesitant to go with the young unproven guy and rather stick with the established veteran?

Point is its not always as black and white as "he was better in practice"

 

[Trip]

firmly established? Trent Green was a journyman in his first season with STL when he got hurt and Warner took over. Bledsoe was over the hill and had one mediocre season in Dallas before he got hurt and Romo took over.

I guess you could say he was firmly established in New England, but even then..he was clearly on the downside of his career. Teams dont always make starting decision based on who is better in practice. A lot of different stuff plays into it -- contract, tenure with the team, relationship with the coach, etc. Belichick was brand new in NE and on his second head coaching job after failing in Cleveland. Maybe he was hesitant to go with the young unproven guy and rather stick with the established veteran?

Point is its not always as black and white as "he was better in practice"

Belly actually was favoring Brady prior to the Bledsoe injury but was afraid to make the switch. Mo Lewis just did him a favor.

 

[yseJ]

brehs I think vernon gholston is elite

check it out. when he was starting for the jets, two AFC conference finals

he WON GAMES

never mind he didnt record a single sack, thats all for the stat nerds. vernon gholston should be a starter in this league goddamit

 

[Buggsy Mogues]

brehs I think vernon gholston is elite

check it out. when he was starting for the jets, two AFC conference finals

he WON GAMES

never mind he didnt record a single sack, thats all for the stat nerds. vernon gholston should be a starter in this league goddamit

 

[yseJ]

firmly established? Trent Green was a journyman in his first season with STL when he got hurt and Warner took over. Bledsoe was over the hill and had one mediocre season in Dallas before he got hurt and Romo took over.

green had a 23 tds/11 picks season in washington.
warner was an arena league dude

come the fukk on. in these cases its almost never a competition.

alex smith 'won' the competition with kaep last year 'easily'. yet he lost his job after the injury. was that because harbaugh was an idiot ?

coaches wont unseat established guys until they are given a reason.
and the reason is either established guys playing bad or get injured

 

[yseJ]

since I dont believe in qbs being any more important than other positions, this is EXACTLY the face and reaction Im reading your tebow love drivel with.

 

[tremonthustler1]

yep. There was never a push for Tebow in NY. PPl just wanted Sanchez gone.

Similar to the Pennington/Clemens situation. WHatever it took to get the guy they know stinks out in favor of the unknown.

you remember how happy we were to see Greg McElroy? We knew he wasn't shyt, but hey, he got the job. He did what Tebow couldn't do.


what made the Tebow situation worse was that Rex and co. were making these ridiculous assurances that Tebow would play.

20 snaps a game! Integral part of the Wildcat! He's our backup but he'll be competing.

All before they ever saw him practice

and then when preseason came and they tanked it, it was all "nah we don't wanna show our hand. Offense is top secret, just vanilla plays :scheme"