Exactly. nikkas wanna say he was on a stacked team with a HOF QB.....that same HOF QB who spent his whole career taking L's until, TD helped him get over the hump.
Terrell Davis has no business being in the NFL hall of fame
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Exactly. nikkas wanna say he was on a stacked team with a HOF QB.....that same HOF QB who spent his whole career taking L's until, TD helped him get over the hump.
murksiderock
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His rookie year was an 1100-yard season, which isnt special. There's been like 300 1100+ yard seasons...Terrell Davis is a HOF for 4 good seasons but people think Russell Wilson, Matt Ryan and Matt Stafford don't belong.
His Y2, Y3, Y4 are what elevates him to people, and they were special. But it was 3 years. That just isn't long enough to justify Canton to me...
But I'm a Hall of FAME guy. Not the Hall of Very Good these other guys like
Mvp is such a quarterback award they tend to give opoy to the best non-quarterback
dumbass Jamaal Charles topped out at 1509 yds and only one season over 10 touchdowns.....TD had 3 seasons in a row above that, two of them well above that and over 10 TD's each of those years, one of them with 20+
stick to beisbol you racist clown.
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Terrell Davis actually accomplished things on top of being on SB winning teams, unlike Lynn Swann
It does make you wonder just how he'd have recovered with modern day ACL repair.
It does make you wonder just how he'd have recovered with modern day ACL repair.
They never got it from anyone at the level they got it from Davis.
Clinton Portis would have changed that but they traded him.
His rookie year was an 1100-yard season, which isnt special. There's been like 300 1100+ yard seasons...
His Y2, Y3, Y4 are what elevates him to people, and they were special. But it was 3 years. That just isn't long enough to justify Canton to me...
But I'm a Hall of FAME guy. Not the Hall of Very Good these other guys like
If Curtis Martin is in TD deserves to be in.
Put TD's major accomplishments on paper without his name and years played and anyone would say that's HOF material.
Rings, MVP's, SB MVP's, and, dominant playoff stats trump everything. That's why Mahomes could walk away now and be first ballot while all these current QB's would have to keep playing to get a gold jacket. They might go 15-20 seasons and still not have a single ring. You get rewarded for the higher accomplishments because they're much harder to earn.
murksiderock
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the Broncos turning into a Super Team his last 3 years is how he got over the hump, I'm glad you said "helped" because too many mf's give Davis too much credit for those rings...Davis got to run behind FOUR linemen who made a Pro Bowl and/or All-Pro roster in those championship years. He got to run under a trifecta of Shanahan, Kubiak, and Gibbs as his primary offensive coaches...
The Broncos had 5 Pro Bowl defenders in Elway's last 3 years (13 wins, 12 wins, 14 wins). He finally got a Super Team after carrying the franchise on his back for 12 years...
Elway gets so underrated. He walked in the door as yhe greatest QB prospect ever, to a team that won the equivalent of 3.5 games the year prior. And had them in the playoffs for the first time in 4 years...
He went to a franchise that had only went to one Super Bowl in their history before him, and were a punching bag in the AFL, and in his first 9 years brought them more success (3 Super Bowls, 4 AFCCG runs, 10 wins/year, 6 playoff appearances) than they'd ever seen in the 23 years of existence before he got there...
His Super Bowl L's were to generational, historically elite teams ('86 Giants, '87 Redskins, '89 49ers)....these were some of the greatest teams in the entire history of football and remain so until this day. His championship Bronco teams aren't as good as any of those teams but he'd have had a fighting chance if he played those teams with the '97 or '98 Bronco rosters around him...
Instead he had the '86, '87, and '89 Broncos around him vs historically dominant teams...
This board loves Marino, who was losing in the AFC playoffs to teams that couldn't beat the Broncos, but Elway was a "loser" until flash in the pan Davis came along
Elway was a winner and an elevator of talent....Marino was just the "talent".The Super Team helped him get over the hump, Elway was a proven winner before then, way more than guys like Marino who this board loves. Elway routinely leading comebacks in the playoffs, game winning drives, all the shyt...
This dude is underrated...
Those 3 had the QB equivalent of 6400 yds and 56 TD (1600 yds and 14 TD per year so in this era thats like 4800 yds, 40 TD per year), and 2 dominant playoffs runs that ended in rings in 4 years?Terrell Davis is a HOF for 4 good seasons but people think Russell Wilson, Matt Ryan and Matt Stafford don't belong.
murksiderock
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You fronting on Curtis Martin, who didn't have the benefit of running behind a historically dominant offensive line. They were drafted in the same draft, and yet despite not having a HOF line in front of him, thru the equivalent 7 years, Martin had 1600 more yards and 4 more TDs...
Martin started his career with 10 straight 1000 yard seasons, has a rushing title, and did it with the Patriots (before they became Belichick/Brady dynasty) and the fukking Jets...
I wouldn't make the argument Davis deserves Canton more than Martin...
I would say Davis had the higher 3-year peak. After that (and before, Martin was a better rookie) everything else favors Martin...
IsThatBrothaMouzone?
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Super Bowls make a big difference if you were the key cog yet had a short career.
If TD had the same stats but they lost to GB in 1997 and ATL in 1998, I doubt he gets in.
There's a precedent for RBs with short careers getting in (Sayers).
RB is the only position where peak and potential matter more than what you actually did over a long career. It's why a guy like Emmitt Smith gets underrated....but Brady and Rice are considered GOATS. All 3 put up insane stats. All 3 won multiple rings and were key pieces of those teams. All 3 were considered "average" in terms of raw athleticism.....yet no one questions Brady and Rice because of the position they played....and no one gives Emmitt his due as GOAT because of the position HE played (plus he's a Cowboy).
A guy like Priest Holmes or Jamaal Charles? Give them 2 rings and they're probably in the HOF, especially if they had elite playoff runs like TD.
If TD had the same stats but they lost to GB in 1997 and ATL in 1998, I doubt he gets in.
There's a precedent for RBs with short careers getting in (Sayers).
RB is the only position where peak and potential matter more than what you actually did over a long career. It's why a guy like Emmitt Smith gets underrated....but Brady and Rice are considered GOATS. All 3 put up insane stats. All 3 won multiple rings and were key pieces of those teams. All 3 were considered "average" in terms of raw athleticism.....yet no one questions Brady and Rice because of the position they played....and no one gives Emmitt his due as GOAT because of the position HE played (plus he's a Cowboy).
A guy like Priest Holmes or Jamaal Charles? Give them 2 rings and they're probably in the HOF, especially if they had elite playoff runs like TD.
You cannot. You can't tell the story of football if you don't mention its champions, especially if one of those teams (the 1998 Broncos) is considered one of the best teams of all time.@WhoShotCha
You can tell the story of football without Davis, be for real dawg
You're only bringing Davis up, if you bring up Elway. Those late 90s Broncos won yhe two titles and would be mentioned in a 90s-specific chapter. But that's the only way you're bringing up Davis. He's not an important enough figure to be mentioned on his own...
Nobody ever says, "Terrell Davis!", if you ask them to name the greatest running backs ever. You hear his name mentioned in Canton convos like this, or convos about great players who had their career shortened because of injury, or 90s-specific convo. Otherwise his name is never mentioned, you can absolutely tell the story of football without him...
And if you're going to discuss one of the best teams of all time, you're going to discuss its best player, 1998 NFL MVP Terrell Davis.
Davis got to run behind FOUR linemen who made a Pro Bowl and/or All-Pro roster in those championship years. He got to run under a trifecta of Shanahan, Kubiak, and Gibbs as his primary offensive coaches...
The Broncos had 5 Pro Bowl defenders in Elway's last 3 years (13 wins, 12 wins, 14 wins). He finally got a Super Team after carrying the franchise on his back for 12 years...
Elway gets so underrated. He walked in the door as yhe greatest QB prospect ever, to a team that won the equivalent of 3.5 games the year prior. And had them in the playoffs for the first time in 4 years...
He went to a franchise that had only went to one Super Bowl in their history before him, and were a punching bag in the AFL, and in his first 9 years brought them more success (3 Super Bowls, 4 AFCCG runs, 10 wins/year, 6 playoff appearances) than they'd ever seen in the 23 years of existence before he got there...
His Super Bowl L's were to generational, historically elite teams ('86 Giants, '87 Redskins, '89 49ers)....these were some of the greatest teams in the entire history of football and remain so until this day. His championship Bronco teams aren't as good as any of those teams but he'd have had a fighting chance if he played those teams with the '97 or '98 Bronco rosters around him...
Instead he had the '86, '87, and '89 Broncos around him vs historically dominant teams...
This board loves Marino, who was losing in the AFC playoffs to teams that couldn't beat the Broncos, but Elway was a "loser" until flash in the pan Davis came along
The Super Team helped him get over the hump, Elway was a proven winner before then, way more than guys like Marino who this board loves. Elway routinely leading comebacks in the playoffs, game winning drives, all the shyt...
This dude is underrated...
Typically, a RB who has a dominant year also has dominant OL play ahead of him. Or is considered to. That goes hand in hand, and an OL that blocks for a 2,000 yard rusher and 2x OPOY probably should have multiple Pro Bowl/All Pro players up front.
By this logic, Saquon's 2024 campaign is irrelevant/unimpressive because he ran behind the consensus best OL in the game, even though no back before Saquon put up the numbers he did behind that line.
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Which Warner?
Not my goat, came from nothing, leader of the greatest show on turf, speed of a panther, accuracy of a sniper, brought two different teams to the Super Bowl, wife looks like his sister KURT WARNER.
YOU TAKE IT BACK
Which Warner?
Not my goat, came from nothing, leader of the greatest show on turf, speed of a panther, accuracy of a sniper, brought two different teams to the Super Bowl, wife looks like his sister KURT WARNER.
YOU TAKE IT BACK
