Texas Woman Onboard Flight Said ‘Jesus Told Her’ To Open Exit Door.

[bnew]

And yet the vast majority of successful civilizations throughout history have been religious.

religious fanatics savagely destroyed hundreds or thousands of civilizations.

 

[MMS]

People really think it's more likely that an all powerful being is whispering to you.. that's more likely than your own brain just talking to you.

You have to know right from wrong and if Jesus does tell you to do something wrong you have to argue with him.

Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 6:9-13 - King James Version

After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from...

www.biblegateway.com

 

[MMS]

Well considering you can still be killed or jailed for being an atheist in many countries today you can see how that could stifle growth throughout history. Most of your 'powerhouse' nations had to embrace secularism in order to survive modernity. State atheism, like science and technology, is a work in progress and in my personal opinion an inevitability.

Nations with a high percentage of atheists like Japan, France and Sweden aren't exactly nightmares either.

have you ever been Japanese, French or Swedish to know?

ive seen some things from them that would say otherwise

 

[bnew]

have you ever been Japanese, French or Swedish to know?

ive seen some things from them that would say otherwise

thats a consequence of capitalism , not atheism.

 

[MMS]

thats a consequence of capitalism , not atheism.

I wouldn't be so sure. As what you worship rules over you.

 

[patscorpio]

i see someone like that on a plane doing crazy shyt like that they getting leveled with one punch...put them to sleep//then restrain them

 

[Sonic Boom of the South]

Religion with their mentally unstable members again


They lead the world in murder
Lead America in school shooting
Etc

 

[General Mills]

@Jesus H. Christ

 

[BobbyWojak]

have you ever been Japanese, French or Swedish to know?

ive seen some things from them that would say otherwise

Stop it breh, the standard of living for the average person in those 3 countries is far better than Iran, Afghanistan and other theocratic countries.

I wouldn't be so sure. As what you worship rules over you.

This is not a real answer unless you contort the definition of worship.

 

[MMS]

Stop it breh, the standard of living for the average person in those 3 countries is far better than Iran, Afghanistan and other theocratic countries.



This is not a real answer unless you contort the definition of worship.

what is your definition?

there are plenty of people out there who worship money or what money can buy them. Capitalism can be seen as a means to an end and/or a religion, and many people do in fact take it as a religion as a "highest good" of sorts. Its not necessarily good or evil.

You say "standard of living" is greater but thats only one way of looking at quality of life and its coming from our stance not those countries.

 

[bnew]

atheist worship is an oxymoron.

 

[BobbyWojak]

what is your definition?

there are plenty of people out there who worship money or what money can buy them. Capitalism can be seen as a means to an end and/or a religion, and many people do in fact take it as a religion as a "highest good" of sorts. Its not necessarily good or evil.

You say "standard of living" is greater but thats only one way of looking at quality of life and its coming from our stance not those countries.

This is a common misdirection used by deists, greed and political fervency are not spiritual in any way, spirituality is not supported by any evidence. In my personal opinion, Capitalism is inherently inhumane, but it's not evil or sinful, it's an economic system that does not take exploitation into account and prioritizes the market/profit over living people. Standard of living and quality of life are two different things completely, one is a measure of the material resources you have access to (food, water, technology) and one is a person's personal belief of how comfortable their life is based on their culture and values. Standard of living is material, quality of life is subjective, like faith.

atheist worship is an oxymoron.

It always turns into this breh, the definition game

 

[MMS]

This is a common misdirection used by deists, greed and political fervency are not spiritual in any way, spirituality is not supported by any evidence. In my personal opinion, Capitalism is inherently inhumane, but it's not evil or sinful, it's an economic system that does not take exploitation into account and prioritizes the market/profit over living people. Standard of living and quality of life are two different things completely, one is a measure of the material resources you have access to (food, water, technology) and one is a person's personal belief of how comfortable their life is based on their culture and values. Standard of living is material, quality of life is subjective, like faith.



It always turns into this breh, the definition game

well maybe to get the wheels turning, in ancient persia (and probably many other parts of the world) worshipping fire was a common practice

when you consider the exchange of money in a nation as an allegory to fire, you will see why old countries worshipped fire (or rather the pattern that fire creates)

I get the feeling your idea of religion (using term like deists) is based on a bad experience. Given you did not provide a definition of "worship"

 

[BobbyWojak]

well maybe to get the wheels turning, in ancient persia (and probably many other parts of the world) worshipping fire was a common practice

when you consider the exchange of money in a nation as an allegory to fire, you will see why old countries worshipped fire (or rather the pattern that fire creates)

They didn't hold fire in high esteem because of its physical properties, they attributed a spiritual meaning to it, same as you trying to conflate religion with capitalism. There is faith and there is private ownership, you can personally choose to give spiritual significance to capitalism, but that is a conscious choice. It's not inherent in capitalism to believe it is spiritual, belief is involved in speculation, but that is not faith.

I get the feeling your idea of religion (using term like deists) is based on a bad experience.

If you read books by prominent atheists it's common because not all people who believe in god are religious, it's a catch-all. I had a healthy relationship with Christianity growing up and loved going to a Haitian church in Brooklyn with my grandma as a kid, I'm disappointed you made this personal.

Given you did not provide a definition of "worship"

The word has many definitions, and it's easy to find one that supports both of our points, it makes the conversation subjective and impossible to reach an understanding. Capitalism and politics are not stand-in religions for atheists, if your argument is 'well, it's like a religion' then lmao because a lot of things are like other things that doesn't make them the same.

 

[MMS]

They didn't hold fire in high esteem because of its physical properties, they attributed a spiritual meaning to it, same as you trying to conflate religion with capitalism. There is faith and there is private ownership, you can personally choose to give spiritual significance to capitalism, but that is a conscious choice. It's not inherent in capitalism to believe it is spiritual, belief is involved in speculation, but that is not faith.



If you read books by prominent atheists, it's common because not all people who believe in god are religious, it's a catch-all. I had a healthy relationship with Christianity growing up and loved going to a Haitian church in Brooklyn with my grandma as a kid, I'm disappointed you made this personal.


The word has many definitions, and it's easy to find one that supports both of our points, it makes the conversation subjective and impossible to reach an understanding. Capitalism and politics are not stand-in religions for atheists, if your argument is 'well, it's like a religion' then lmao because a lot of things are like other things that doesn't make them the same.

I think what I said about fire didnt register. Either way if it is interesting to you I'd read this to understand what I mean by "fire". You're looking at it on the surface when like most religions, there is much more beneath the surface.

Agni - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I was African methodist episcopal and now orthodox personally. I think instead of thinking I'm getting personal I would take an aside and ask a personal question about worship just to yourself and meditate on it.

If you are struggling to define worship, whether you are or aren't a believer, that is troubling. Even if you don't always love yourself sometimes God loves you.