The absence of Funk's influence is a big reason for the disconnect between old and new Hip Hop.

[IllmaticDelta]

No, you were so eager to interject yourself as the authority in this matter, using your excellent google skills, that you completely misinterpreted what I said in the OP.

Go back and read it again and you’ll see that sampling was only a very small part of what I was discussing.

shyt, read the thread title.

I didn’t say Funk’s sound or samples, I said Funk’s INSPIRATION.

I read it and then layed out why you were wrong. I even gave you examples. I then made it clear that you're referring to the sound you heard in the type of funk that olderschool hiphop was based in which is why I made it clear that the newer stuff is still based on the essence of funk combined with the sound of drum machines/funky creations of their own invention. The key to funk is the groove and the way it makes you nod your head or bounce to the music. It's not absent at all.....you're just getting it in a modernized way just as RUN DMC did when they took the essence of Funk to create "Sucka MC's" but with an original musical idea + the sound of a drum machine

how are these absent of funk when they are clearly funky and have bounce and head nodding factor, the epitome of funk?

 

[smokeurobinson]

It was still sampled and many old heads liked funk so of course if something new includes what you love it will pipe your interest and if it doesn’t you won’t connect with it.

There is nothing in mainstream new rap to pull in old heads other than Kedndrick and a few others.

That’s common sense that you flock to what has your interests within.

But my original argument was 'who gives a fuk about the old heads think, let the kids do them'...U had your time your time was the 90's...its the kids time now. That was my original argument.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Funny thing is, it isn’t an argument.

I’m theorizing that the absence of funk’s influence may be why older heads can’t fukk with the newer shyt like that, and there’s 2-3 nikkas in here dap fishing and failing.

the funk inspiration isn't gone...what you mean is the funk that sounds like the old break records that older heads (our parents) are familiar with w/o realizing the funk inspirations/essence gave way to the sound below















and is more connected to modern hiphop

 

[IllmaticDelta]

I didn't know that

not because of the music but because they thought the vocals on the song sounded hillbilly'ish. They had nothing against rock music. Listen/read the thoughts straight from DMC here

The absence of Funk's influence is a big reason for the disconnect between old and new Hip Hop.

as he makes it clear, they had already done rap-rock before

 

[Blackout]

the funk inspiration isn't gone...what you mean is the funk that sounds like the old break records that older heads (our parents) are familiar with w/o realizing the funk inspirations/essence gave way to the sound below















and is more connected to modern hiphop

Where is the use of a bass guitar in these newly funk influences songs?

 

[tuckgod]

I read it and then layed out why you were wrong. I even gave you examples. I then made it clear that you're referring to the sound you heard in the type of funk that olderschool hiphop was based in which is why I made it clear that the newer stuff is still based on the essence of funk combined with the sound of drum machines/funky creations of their own invention. The key to funk is the groove and the way it makes you nod your head or bounce to the music. It's not absent at all.....you're just getting it in a modernized way just as RUN DMC did when they took the essence of Funk to create "Sucka MC's" but with an original musical idea + the sound of a drum machine

how are these absent of funk when they are clearly funky and have bounce and head nodding factor, the epitome of funk?

And you’re still throwing out outliers..

Of course West Coast artists are still making funk inspired music.

You even went as far back to include records that are more than 10 years old.

If my theory is incorrect, you’d be able to post 10 records made in the last 3-4 years from artists that aren’t G Funk influenced.

 

[Blackout]

But my original argument was 'who gives a fuk about the old heads think, let the kids do them'...U had your time your time was the 90's...its the kids time now. That was my original argument.

Oh I thought it was you comparing this issue to those two people you mentioned who could of connected to rap of that era because it had old school influences that interest old heads but chose not to because of reasons outside of music.

 

[ISO]

De La was an outlier in general. They were seen as weirdos....so what are you talking about?


They wasn't running around dikk riding white rockers like Lil Uzi Vert.

This is what I'm talking about man. You come in these threads with a gang of links and videos and interviews and it has no context to what the conversation is even about. What do you, personally, remember about hip-hop back then? Not what you can Google.

Fred.

So you'll say De La is an outlier but Lil Uzi isn't? De La was seen as weirdos but Lil Uzi isn't? Lil Uzi is seen as androgynous, teenage, different, weird even in this generation he isn't the norm.

This is y'all problem y'all generalize and hyperbolize too much. Lil Uzi's XXL class was him, 21 Savage, G-Herbo, Dave East, Kodak Black, Desiigner, Anderson Paak, Denzel Curry. Lil Uzi the only one there with overt rock influences.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

And you’re still throwing out outliers..

Of course West Coast artists are still making funk inspired music.

dude...funk/soul music is the root/essence to hiphop everywhere in the USA

You even went as far back to include records that are more than 10 years old.

I included them because they were part of the era that many claim killed hiphop because it didn't sound like 90's hiphop

If what I’m saying isn’t true, you’d be able to post 10 records made in the last 3-4 years from artists that aren’t G Funk influenced.

dude, I can easily post nothing but funky trap music, that's how easy it would be. I guess these have no funk in them either?

 

[tuckgod]

So you'll say De La is an outlier but Lil Uzi isn't? De La was seen as weirdos but Lil Uzi isn't? Lil Uzi is seen as androgynous, teenage, different, weird even in this generation he isn't the norm.

This is y'all problem y'all generalize and hyperbolize too much. Lil Uzi's XXL class was him, 21 Savage, G-Herbo, Dave East, Kodak Black, Desiigner, Anderson Paak, Denzel Curry. Lil Uzi the only one there with overt rock influences.

Ok let’s pretend there aren’t 1000 rainbow colored hair wearing, mumble rappers, making emo indie rock style hip hop music right now.

Y’all nikkas refuse to just say ok, i see your point, and will pull any random fact out your ass (ie. The XXL cover) to justify your irrelevant additions to the thread.

 

[tuckgod]

I included them because they were part of the era that many claim killed hiphop because it didn't sound like 90's hiphop

And we’re finally at the real root of the issue.

Anytime you nikkas see anything remotely close to criticism of the music of today, y’all jump out the window trying to justify why today’s music should be respected.

I’m not a stuck in the 90s old head that can’t appreciate new shyt.

This thread was not intended to cause a wider gap between young and old hip hop listeners, I actually was hoping to spark dialogue to bridge the gap, and in a weird way, it’s working.

I fukks with just about everything you’ve posted in the thread and agree that there are remenants of Funk’s influence left in all of them.

But as the years go by, I’m seeing less and less of Funk’s influence and pretty soon it will be completely gone, and our music will be completely unrecognizable to us, if we don’t continue to have these types of conversations.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Where is the use of a bass guitar in these newly funk influences songs?

you don't need a bass guitar for funk(y) music

 

[Blackout]

you don't need a bass guitar for funk(y) music

That was a mix of genres like disco, soul and funk and not considered just funk.

I’d call that an example of actual funk inspired music especially with its rhythm guitar usage.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

That was a mix of genres like disco, soul and funk and not considered just funk.

I’d call that an example of actual funk inspired music especially with its rhythm guitar usage.

soul/disco/funk are basically the same genre when it comes to hiphop history. Funk is more rhytmic Soul while Disco was soul/funk with a new marketing tag.

 

[Blackout]

soul/disco/funk are basically the same genre when it comes to hiphop history. Funk is more rhytmic Soul while Disco was soul/funk with a new marketing tag.

Yet but bass guitar or at least a replicate like the rhythm guitar they used on that Marvin song is a big part of most funk music. Without that a song can’t be considered purely funk inspired