The argument that Drake "makes good music/is a really good artist" holds ZERO weight & is dead

[jadillac]

cmon bruh. that's reaching so hard. its ok for them to have ghost writers because they wanted to front?

breh, Drake is basically a diary artist. If someone else is writing the diary and putting his name on it, that's lame.

I'm not saying it's acceptable for them to have ghost-writers, but alot of what they rapped about were tales. We knew it was fake.

 

[jadillac]

Drake spit nothing but facts on his shyt

might be facts, but did he write said facts?

This sh*t hurts me breh. [Birdman voice] "it f*cked my day up" [Birdman voice] as a regular dude, I wanted to believe a corny kid from the Canadian suburbs could somehow turn into a beast behind the mic & truly hold his own in the world of raps elite.

 

[Ghostface Trillah]

the first 2 are more than 10 years old bruh

Only thing new is Young Thug

but I doubt you'd let that get in the way of your argument

Cause these 90s and 2000 babies don't look at Wayne as a top 5 of all time rapper. My bad

 

[Citi Trends]

breh, Drake is basically a diary artist. If someone else is writing the diary and putting his name on it, that's lame.

I'm not saying it's acceptable for them to have ghost-writers, but alot of what they rapped about were tales. We knew it was fake.

so why not have someone write some relate-able things like drake? why was it cool to have someone write stories you didn't even live back when nikkas were saying how dope and real they were especially if yall knew it.
you can't come through a decade later in this era and have this double standard

 

[jadillac]

so why not have someone write some relate-able things like drake? why was it cool to have someone write stories you didn't even live back when nikkas were saying how dope and real they were especially if yall knew it.
you can't come through a decade later in this era and have this double standard

b/c nobody wanted to be labeled as "soft"

And ultimately it's like Will Smith said, you're either a gangster or you're a rapper. You can't realy be both full-time. So most of the stuff you rap about is like a movie script. It's using your imagination. Again, if these dudes did everything in their rhymes they'd be in jail

 

[Kyle C. Barker]

They don't care son someone told me today back to back is almost as good as ether

 

[Citi Trends]

b/c nobody wanted to be labeled as "soft"

And ultimately it's like Will Smith said, you're either a gangster or you're a rapper. You can't realy be both full-time. So most of the stuff you rap about is like a movie script. It's using your imagination. Again, if these dudes did everything in their rhymes they'd be in jail

who cares what they would have been labeled as, it's still the same offense, but they aren't labeled as fake or discredited
who said they had to do what was in their rhymes. my gripe is you not caring that they had ghostwriters. they didnt even come up with their own movie scripts
this is a blatant double standard to use the same value people supposedly cared about back in the day to discredit someone a decade later

 

[45123]

You don't know it to be fact that Drake doesn't write all his music. We heard one reference track and another supposed one out of a 7 project discography, most of which dates back to before Drake met the Quentin dude. And 10 Bands is not a personal track with intimate subject matter, and hardly a rap song at that. So, for now, one can still give Drake the benefit of the doubt

 

[ORDER_66]

It's better than Ether and so was take over

ARE YOU SERIOUS RIGHT NOW WITH THIS BULLshyt???

 

[Pool_Shark]

People could post 100 examples of drake having people write for him and you guys would say "yeah but he wrote everything else".

Ok so Drakes a rapper the same way Eazy-E, Dre, Snoop, and Kanye are rappers ok cool then.

 

[desp]

People could post 100 examples of drake having people write for him and you guys would say "yeah but he wrote everything else".

Ok so Drakes a rapper the same way Eazy-E, Dre, Snoop, and Kanye are rappers ok cool then.

People could post 1 example of Drake having people write for him and you guys would say "see, he never writes anything"

Wait...

 

[Pool_Shark]

People could post 1 example of Drake having people write for him and you guys would say "see, he never writes anything"

Wait...

So you really think the only time drake ever had someone give him a song it was leaked. Weeknd and a gang of other people haven't admitted to "working" with him in the past? You guys are really this dense?

 

[itsyoung!!]

the most thing about this thing to me is people are saying "ITS BEEN 4 DAYS WHERE MEEK DISS AT" like 4 days is a long time

then when you bring up that Drake took MONTHS to respond to Kendrick with that "fukk platinum, I looked at my wrist and it was already platinum" line they hit you with the

 

[rapbeats]

Let's get this all out on the table....
(And for the record, I started out being a strong Drake hater. Then eventually became a huge fan)

What are we doing? This is hip-hop.

.....Drakes ENTIRE appeal from jump was that he was the alternative rapper. He was the dude who didn't rap about guns/drugs/street life. He was the hopeful young rapper from Canada who had been writing lyrics for years and was rapping to a grass-roots fanbase about his life. Rapping about his quest/struggle to get signed, rapping about his life after he got signed & while he was making his debut album. And every album since then had supposedly been him telling us about HIS story, HIS journey, in HIS words. He was the dude who won over his haters b/c he "wrote" songs that were personal enough in subject matter that even the haters could relate to.

But the main idea all along is that he was telling us HIS story in HIS own words. This is a staple of hip-hop and what makes it different from every other genre.

Moreso than Dr Dre, or Diddy, others who are known to have ghostwriters, Drake was the PERSONAL rapper. We believed everything was 100% him b/c the songs were about his life.

2nd point about him being a really good artist is mute now b/c it's not him writing these songs. He's a decent singer at best, but every legit R&B singer the past 25 years would sing him up under a table. I can accept his voice IF it was him writing the songs b/c they would truly be his words/lyrics, but since it's apparently not, his voice loses credibility; and I'd rather hear the songs being sang by someone who can actually sing.

These diss tracks are falling on deaf ears for me, b/c it could be 2-3 dudes writing them as opposed to Meek Mill doing it alone (as far as we know).

How can you get credit for "winning" a battle against another man when it's likely that someone else doing your fighting? How can fans excuse this?

it's real simple. Move all of these fake rappers over to POP> let them have POP as a genre but not rap. fine by me. i wouldnt mind losing the supposed heavy weights.


Rappers rap/ write 90% of their own music over their entire career. people who have others constantly writing for them are not Rappers. They are POP artists, or singers. It aint hiphop no matter how you slice it. and to keep trying to make it hiphop is diluting the Genre.

instead of nuccas thinking "man i wish i could rap like so and so" it will be "man..all you need is a good team of writers and producers and bam you will blow up just like drake.. and be hiphop's king."

That^^ is pathetic.

Notice something else you said. you said drake gave us his story. NO HE DIDNT. not really. he did what you said he did. he gave you a story of blowing up as a rapper, barely mentioning his pre rapper life(thats ..HIS STORY). he rapped about blowing up, being a star rapper up til now. thats the sign of an actor playing the role of a Rapper. talk about this life and not your old life. sure we've heard like 2 songs about his real life. or 2 bars here or there. thats how you know its not organic.

even his most organic sounding songs are still about him being a rap star. not his former life. Every favorite rapper dead or alive has talked about their life..Their REAL LIFE. not just their rap life.

 

[Mastamimd]

Drake is a pop star. If that's what you're into...cool. Dude's the equivalent to Nelly...same shyt like this happened when he made number 1. But he actually wrote his own shyt